So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[VelKallor]

Nothing but Square Enix's stance on harassment is stopping players from using the third party parser to do any of the above

And since that IS their stance, and since you DID click "I agree" when you joined the game, then that stance is binding on you and you need to follow it.

And having it as a toggle option in-game to make talking about it no longer taboo

Will. not. happen.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This has to be the fourth or fifth time I have said this but: You ARE permitted ( grey area here ) to use it FOR YOURSELF. YOU HAVE a method you CAN use it to improve yourself

If you are running a parser to help your own improvement, grats, well done, more power to you. Have fun.

What you are NOT allowed to do is to use it as a blunt instrument to scream abuse, epithets, obscenities and harass OTHER players.



Parsers have a long and storied history of flagrant abuse and misuse. Yoshi and his team DO NOT want to see that toxicity in FF 14. Neither do I ...having had a gutful of that back in another MMO. Their policy is clear cut, specific and has valid reasoning behind it. I agree with that policy 100%.

You DO have a tool to measure your own performance. You do NOT have the right or license or permission to use said tool to "correct others" or " to educate them". If they wish help, they will come to you, or to others.

To quote the revered Mother of Many "Tell thy sister , go chase her fish and I will chase mine"

Use it to your hearts content but LEAVE OTHER PLAYERS ALONE. It cant be any clearer than that.

No, i don’t have a tool i can use, because newsflash, not everyone plays on pc and has access to a parser. I play on ps4, i can’t use a parser. You are going to have toxicity in any mmo. You can preach it as many times as you want, but the fact is not everyone has access to it, which means they need to implement something in game so everyone has access to it and can measure their progress.

[Snorky]

No, i don’t have a tool i can use, because newsflash, not everyone plays on pc and has access to a parser. I play on ps4, i can’t use a parser. You are going to have toxicity in any mmo. You can preach it as many times as you want, but the fact is not everyone has access to it, which means they need to implement something in game so everyone has access to it and can measure their progress.

They don't allow third party parsers so why would they implement it? It's not allowed. Just because you use a different platform that doesn't allow it maybe talk to the makers of a PS about that. It's not SEs fault you use a gaming system. See the excuse you don't have access to it when it's clearly against the policy is kinda weird.

[KizuyaKatogami]

No, i don’t have a tool i can use, because newsflash, not everyone plays on pc and has access to a parser. I play on ps4, i can’t use a parser. You are going to have toxicity in any mmo. You can preach it as many times as you want, but the fact is not everyone has access to it, which means they need to implement something in game so everyone has access to it and can measure their progress.

Please read before you comment,it’s kinda weird. I’m responding to the person who says i do have a tool to measure my own performance, when that isn’t true for many people. They could implement their own in game one is my point. At that point it wouldn’t be third party lmao.

[Snorky]

Please read before you comment,it’s kinda weird. I’m responding to the person who says i do have a tool to measure my own performance, when that isn’t true for many people. They could implement their own in game one is my point. At that point it wouldn’t be third party lmao.

But they haven't needed one for 8 years so what's your point?
Did you say this below?
I think I read it correctly the first and second sentence clearly states your platform and the later you say it needs to be implented because not everyone has access to a tool that is against TOS. I think I read what you said correctly. And appropriately commented on it. You want them to implement a tool they clearly don't want in game.

No, i don’t have a tool i can use, because newsflash, not everyone plays on pc and has access to a parser. I play on ps4, i can’t use a parser. You are going to have toxicity in any mmo. You can preach it as many times as you want, but the fact is not everyone has access to it, which means they need to implement something in game so everyone has access to it and can measure their progress.

[KizuyaKatogami]

But they haven't needed one for 8 years so what's your point?
Did you say this below?
I think I read it correctly the first and second sentence clearly states your platform and the later you say it needs to be implented because not everyone has access to a tool that is against TOS. I think I read what you said correctly. And appropriately commented on it. You want them to implement a tool they clearly don't want in game.

No, i don’t have a tool i can use, because newsflash, not everyone plays on pc and has access to a parser. I play on ps4, i can’t use a parser. You are going to have toxicity in any mmo. You can preach it as many times as you want, but the fact is not everyone has access to it, which means they need to implement something in game so everyone has access to it and can measure their progress.

…. Read the person i was replying to. The only reason i mentioned my platform was because they specifically said i have access to the parser should i wish to use it, when that isn’t the case since people on console can’t use that third party program.I wouldn’t say they haven’t needed one, it’s just that people are so used to playing with clunk it’s become the norm. Again, look at Titania dps check that was literally walling people from continuing in MSQ. Pretty big problem no?

[Rinhi]

several pages of completely valid and civil discussions gone again
can't talk about your bad experiences with your community in a related topic at all apparently because mods will just nuke everything tangentially related to it
what an actual, honest to god, joke of 'moderation' this forum has, I think I actually prefer reddit's hivemind and in-your-face mods rather than this silent removal of discussions and posts because they, lo and behold, aren't fellating the community as something infallible and amazing but rather as just like any other community, where people have good AND bad experiences

[DarkDredgen]

Apart from feeling like no one should be able to dictate how other people play their game, is it perhaps a matter of trying to preserve the validity of specific classes?

Not all DPS are created equal. Even with absouelte perfect execution, some dps will always fall short when comparing damage output

In addition to trying to prevent toxicity, maybe they are trying to stop certain classes becoming even more of an outcast? I already see quite a few PF's excluding DRK's from ex trials and such for reasons unknown to me, I think DRK does a fantastic job across the board, but apparently some people are really buying into the idea that it is at a massive disadvantage to other tanks.

Only way you could prevent the above is of course to flatline all the dps and balance them out in their entirety, and I don't think anyone really wants that. Just another perspective

[KariTheFox]

When it comes to party finder, the leader choosing to let someone go because of poor performance isn't really "harassment", the leader of a PF group has the right to kick people from thier group for any reason. They could kick you because they don't like your glamour and that would be within thier right.

What would qualify as harassment would be that PF leader, after kicking you, proceeding to whisper you and tell you about your terrible parse, and that you suck, etc, etc.

[Caurcas]

14 has a reputation as a hugbox for a reason.