New SMN is a mind-numbingly boring one-button job

[aveyond-dreams]

Dots aren't engaging gameplay, they're just busywork. So much for the "complexity!" some wanted. If I wanted to tack on a dot every now and then I'd play a healer. Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel went completely against the gameplay you experience for the previous 50 levels of those classes and turned them into unfun immobile turrets. Black Mage at least had good flow to it, but MCH had *rng combos* and BRD had nothing else going for it besides dots. Of course I got fed up with those abilities and dropped the classes altogether because once again just like old SMN, I decided I didn't want to be pushed in that direction and ended up not levelling those jobs to max even. At least for SMN I somehow managed to suffer through till the end of the MSQ and got to summon Phoenix a few times.

Proceed to later expansions when those issues were fixed, I ended up finishing them off each time and have taken MCH into quite a lot of content as rdps when farming specific items for ranged along with Dancer. And now new SMN is my main, a lot of people's new mains, and at this point you either accept it as is or wait till 7.0. Assuming they decide to recognize the requests made from the "complexity!" crowd, because it seems most of their wants go against the wants of the general playerbase. No wonder they sided with the "we just want to be Summoners" crowd as opposed to the complex poison mage fans.

I want jobs that are fun and don't break my hands to play competently. SMN fulfills that.

[Xiaoki]

What better way to make my desires as a committed player known to the developers (who are stated to be in some capacity observing all language official forums) than post on the official forums?

The developers don't read these forums.

And they especially wouldn't care about about a topic title calling a class "mind numbingly boring", that's the kind of feedback Yoshi-P doesn't want.

[CKNovel]

Dots aren't engaging gameplay, they're just busywork. So much for the "complexity!" some wanted. If I wanted to tack on a dot every now and then I'd play a healer. Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel went completely against the gameplay you experience for the previous 50 levels of those classes and turned them into unfun immobile turrets. Of course I got fed up with those abilities and dropped the classes altogether because once again just like old SMN, I decided I didn't want to be pushed in that direction and ended up not levelling those jobs to max even. At least for SMN I somehow managed to suffer through till the end of the MSQ and got to summon Phoenix a few times.

Proceed to later expansions when those issues were fixed, I ended up finishing them off each time and have taken MCH into quite a lot of content as rdps when farming specific items for ranged along with Dancer.

Here's a solution:
We get the dot or extra buttons and you just have to refuse using them.

If you could do that for WM/GB, there is no doubt you can do it for mere dots.

You heard them, nothing against extra buttons!

Note about WM/GB:
Only BRD was "bad" with chanting since it was never designed with chant is mind. Due to procs and weaving a lot of oGCD, the job felt bad to play.
You had 1 window to weave but 2 oGCDs to use, picture if BLM needed to weave 2 oGCDs between Fire IV.
MCH was good and built around casting, which is why they remove it, the job made no sense in SB and that horrible heat gauge happened.

If commenting on jobs you have no experience on, please be sure to check your informations.

[rewd]

The developers don't read these forums.

And they especially wouldn't care about about a topic title calling a class "mind numbingly boring", that's the kind of feedback Yoshi-P doesn't want.

There is nothing wrong with the expression "mind numbingly boring". It seems like it didn't take long for people to take Yoshida's statement and twist it enough to turn down criticism they don't like.

[aveyond-dreams]

It would be fantastic if next week they dropped some new abilities revolving around Ramuh or Leviathan. Realistically, that isn't happening, and I'd rather not get old rejected poison mage spells added back on to please the "complex!" crowd at the cost of tainting the job's identity once again.

So be patient, try and be more respectful to the people you actually need to convince and get on your side, or find new mains. Switching jobs is as easy as swapping your weapon.

[Hanayumi]

Oh hell nah, next week? If they add more summons wont be seeing them till 7.0, that being said adding more summons would change anything to the kit really, if anything aetherflow and ruin need some work, far more forgettable

[Connor]

Based on the entire history of the game it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see any adjustments to Summoner beyond maybe potency changes.

Unless I’m remembering wrong the developers never create new abilities mid-expansion regardless of the circumstances, and even when it comes to existing abilities it’s extremely rare for them to make significant adjustments to the way they work. The closest they’ve ever come is returning an ability immediately after removing it and that was in one specific case (Energy Drain). Maybe those drastic WAR changes in like 2.X (or was it 3.X) but honestly I barely remember those since I don’t play it lol

Which is sad because Summoner could be something amazing if it had a bit more time in the oven lol. I would love to be wrong, but unfortunately none of the changes Summoner needs are changes we’d ever realistically see outside of expansion releases. Even something like making Physick scale off intelligence instead of mind is probably too much for them to do mid-expansion lol.

[battleshadow66]

New SMN has nothing to do with the old one, and SMN mains have been deprived of a unique playstyle

What's so unique about copy paste warlock playstyle? There was nothing unique about it, what are you on about? lol

[ssunny2008]

What's so unique about copy paste warlock playstyle? There was nothing unique about it, what are you on about? lol

What´s so unique to spam 1 button permanently? Does Warrior has a new Omicron-variant to infect other classes with his core-gameplay?

But hell yeah... to renew that 1 button on your keyboard or controller after a couple of raids seems pretty unique to me... Oh wait, it´s already a thing on healers. Hmmm... what else could be unique then?! Animations? Woooooooow...... maybe we should watch a 10 minutes cutszene each fight, so we don´t have to PLAY a GAME anymore.

Serious now... that SMN is able to perform very, very well with a 1 button-macro is indeed unique.

[Shuuli]

What's so unique about copy paste warlock playstyle? There was nothing unique about it, what are you on about? lol

What warlock?? This game has no warlock... what is going on in this conversation, lmao