Hope I'm wrong, but stat squish seems to make people weaker in pre-EW contents?

[Momo_Kozuki]

After EW launch and its stat squish, I feel synced 8-man and 24-man fights pre-EW have become longer, and I keep seeing mech that you can only see when you have half of your raid geared with AF armor.


For example, I got into a the Factory raid. People played decently (very few deaths), but I saw boss 3 doing meteor circles where you have to stand on, which I never saw before even with a badly performed party. Or Nier Tower raid where the final boss used her lines of ring attack in second form TWICE with a decent raid, while the pre-EW badly performing raid only barely saw the ring attack once at best.



8-man is at least bearable cuz it is like 1-2 minutes extra, but 24-man is a nightmare. Any 24-man that is not Crystal Tower ones or Void Ark were painfully long cuz of HP-sponge boss, and now they take even longer to kill even with max ilv synced. This only drives more people to cheat ilv to get into Crystal Tower raids with Alliance Roulette.


Anyone else feels these raids have taken much longer to finish? Or maybe I were just unlucky?

[Kolaina]

It has definitely been brought up before, even with the nier raids being used as an example of instances taking longer. Some people are quick to dismiss the notion that we have become weaker. Suggesting it’s new or returning players being the cause, or people learning their jobs. But I’m with you. Especially ShB 24 person content, feeling we aren’t doing as well as before the stat squish

[Floortank]

It has definitely been brought up before, even with the nier raids being used as an example of instances taking longer. Some people are quick to dismiss the notion that we have become weaker. Suggesting it’s new or returning players being the cause, or people learning their jobs. But I’m with you. Especially ShB 24 person content, feeling we aren’t doing as well as before the stat squish

I'm still seeing Copied Factory kills on the final boss before his last flyaway phase. That wasn't even guaranteed at the end of Shadowbringers, so...

[Floortank]

In HW and Ivalice, the raids are harder than they were immediately before the squish. They are back to being about as hard as they were when they were new, except for Orbonne which has the Echo and thus is still fairly trivial.

YorHa is pretty much the same as it was in SHB.

Dungeons, on the other hand, are vastly easier. The scariest pulls in SHB were still pretty hairy immediately before squish, and now they're just a shadow of themselves. Even moreso in Stormblood, where its scariest pulls are even more trivial.

Meanwhile, a Heavensward A Rank I could kill in 22 seconds in Shadowbringers now takes significantly longer to solo.

So the squish has had a lot of seemingly uneven results.

[Jeeqbit]

You are not weaker at minimum item level, but if you are synced to item level 400 in a trial designed for item level 280, the benefit may be less than it was before the squish, because the amount of stats between those item levels is less now.

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

The few times I have gotten the 3rd nier alliance raid it has been a blood bath. All the other 24s feel the same as before 6.0

[Rokke]

From my own experience, the Yorha Raids drag on because people are either murdering each other with mechanics or dps are stumbling through their rotations, if you have a full bunch that knows what to do 9S is already back to being killed before or immediately after his 2nd flight, and big creepy 2B is a breeze. The last few days I've been flip flopping between Void Ark and Weeping City and, sans Ozma, folks can steamroll the bosses like we used to.

I've only gotten one Ivalice raid since EW's EA launched and it was a miserable sea of dead reapers and sages so I cant speak for those lol

[RobynDaBank]

From my own experience, the Yorha Raids drag on because people are either murdering each other with mechanics or dps are stumbling through their rotations, if you have a full bunch that knows what to do 9S is already back to being killed before or immediately after his 2nd flight, and big creepy 2B is a breeze. The last few days I've been flip flopping between Void Ark and Weeping City and, sans Ozma, folks can steamroll the bosses like we used to.

I've only gotten one Ivalice raid since EW's EA launched and it was a miserable sea of dead reapers and sages so I cant speak for those lol

I got two out of the three Ivalice raids done and popping on alliance raid roulette. The first boss of Rabanastre goes quite crappy each time (admittedly for me too). There's so much movement, so much dodging, that it takes no time for members here and there to drop. Similar with the last boss of Orbonne. Meanwhile the math boss and the angel/demon mask boss go swimmingly or have veterans warning and explaining mechanics before the pull. Those just feel like damage sponges and take anywhere from 7 minutes to 4.

[TalithaSolarien]

NieR and some Ivalice raids are definitely taking longer (Mhach raids rarely pop in DF), esp. Rabanastre will let you see mechanics on the first 2 bosses most people have forgotten or never seen. Not seeing things different in dungeons.
Soloing A rangs in ARR or HW takes longer, even on 90 chars.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

From my point of view the entire stat squish is very wonky.

1-50 your stats seem to be the same aka tanks still have about 9k hp at i130, but the dungeons are A LOT easier, stuff dies really fast.
50-80 it gets weird, the growth slows down a lot.

I had the first Nier raid the other day and all i could think was "omg ... this takes forever i should've cheesed the ilv" and even if dmg dealt is subjective i dont think it was just "bad or new players" also on another note it felt like i was taking more dmg as well.

I think SE is aware of this and gave the "epic echo" because of how their squish works ... well that or they want to preserve the original difficullty in roulette, which makes even more ppl cheese ilv.