Why is Ninja always the weakest melee?

[Shurrikhan]

All this waffle for nothing. Change tricks down to 3% and make it buff NINs damage to 15% as a self buff. Job done. NIN saved, it is the right decision. This group and party utility nonsense in this game is actually at a point where it is silly. I will never be convinced that buffing someone elses damage while I do crusty damage is something I should feel good about or that I am 'contributing' to the raid. Nah fam, I wanna flex some dps, that is contributing...

"ACT DPS gud, fflogs DPS* bad." *Yes, that's referring to rDPS, as that's all anyone cares about in practice.

I wouldn't be opposed to NIN doing more solo or light-party damage (and less alliance raid damage) but, again, what does it matter if your parse is a little lower before your rDPS is tallied and you're placed back on top? If you want pure personal damage, there are jobs aplenty for exactly that already. Do you believe your preference constitutes a large enough portion of the NIN playerbase that greatly devaluing iconic tools, per their traditional purpose, would be justified? (Not a rhetorical question.)

[Navnav]

"ACT DPS gud, fflogs DPS* bad." *Yes, that's referring to rDPS, as that's all anyone cares about in practice.

I wouldn't be opposed to NIN doing more solo or light-party damage (and less alliance raid damage) but, again, what does it matter if your parse is a little lower before your rDPS is tallied and you're placed back on top? If you want pure personal damage, there are jobs aplenty for exactly that already. Do you believe your preference constitutes a large enough portion of the NIN playerbase that greatly devaluing iconic tools, per their traditional purpose, would be justified? (Not a rhetorical question.)

Yes I do.
Everyone wants to do more damage, who wouldn't take a 10% extra damage buff at the cost of 2% to everyone elses for 15 seconds. Maybe there are some carebears that would happily lose the 10% so the chads can pump. However I do think many would love a 10% increase during their supposed burst window.

[Kolsykol]

Does the buffs today not seem kinda lackluster?..........

Other DPS got significantly higher buffs and they were already ahead...

[Noraiga]

It's on the basic combo + Hyosho, we basically do more damage every gcd then it should not be that bad, i had the same thought but let see how it play out : p

[Kolsykol]

This is what I found

[Navnav]

This is what I found

That is some MAD good balancing to be honest. 2% between the top 6 is crazy good.
Though at this point they may as well delete machinist lol

[KageTokage]

I feel like within 5% is a "good enough" balance metric to aim for, personally.

That said the sudden fall off for everything below NIN is kind of awkward, though it's hard to say at what point the ranged/caster DPS "tax" is reasonable.

[Shurrikhan]

Yes I do.
Everyone wants to do more damage, who wouldn't take a 10% extra damage buff at the cost of 2% to everyone elses for 15 seconds.

Anyone who wants higher total value and/or wants to play something that feels more supportive / strike-leader-esque.

[Kolsykol]

I feel like within 5% is a "good enough" balance metric to aim for, personally.

That said the sudden fall off for everything below NIN is kind of awkward, though it's hard to say at what point the ranged/caster DPS "tax" is reasonable.

Keep in mind this is rDPS.
It begs the question why take NIN ( especially when people generally tend not to line things up properly with Trick Attack anyway ).

I've never been kicked for playing NIN tho but 5% is a lot, and as long as there is imbalance it's worth talking about.
We also don't rly know how things will work in practice especially long term.
But yeah feels bad man for everything bellow NIN.
NIN isn't in a horrible position or anything but I still think we need a little bit more nothing crazy just a very slight push.
Trick Attack needs to actually be worth it otherwise what's the point of bringing a NIN.

I think that when people go with a Job they should think '' we need a X because Y and Z '', not '' I guess we'll take it because it's what we've got... ''.
Imo the goal is that you should be enthusiastic to go with a Job not indifferent.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Maybe there are some carebears that would happily lose the 10% so the chads can pump.

I'm sorry that this is what the world looks like to you.