Thread: Don't buff PLD dmg, buff PLD Enmity

Originally Posted by Mishakai

So I've been playing PLD in some shape or form since 1.0 when I had to build it myself with various skills from other classes.

Right now, as far as tanking is concerned, PLD is broken in multi tank situations. Unless you buff our dmg to be identical to 2h output, this won't change. Any other tank will pull aggro off a pld unless the pld taunts it back. I'm not sure how your developers haven't figured out that this is essentially due to 2h weapons being able to fire off abilities at the same speed as 1h. You can see it in any dungeon with 2 tanks. Same opener, toss and main combo, or toss and main aoe, warrior, gunbreaker and drk will have aggro every time.

Make us the kings of aggro, or just give us switfcast raise so we actually have some real utility in anything other than 4 man content.

What 8-man content are you coming into that your co-tank is ripping aggro off you?

But why not just buff the damage? Just buffing enmity generation would do literally nothing and while the people who lock paladin out of their savage pfs are often times out of their mind, that's still a real issue if it's not addressed soon.

So basically, what you are saying is that they should buff Paladin's DPS, so that it can generate more enmity?...

Originally Posted by Mishakai

I'm not the main tank, the other guy is because he's a warrior and we can do the fight without using Shirk. I spend my time using intervention on him, covering dps, and healing healers. Not quite what I signed up for when I picked up the shield. Duty finder, 8 man and 24 man content. Other tanks always have aggro, even if I start with it, their dps pulls it off everytime. At that point, I'm a crappy healer (If I'm synced above 58) with poor dps. Might as well replace my spot in the group with a sage.

Wait, are other tanks ripping aggro off of you without or with their tank stance on?

Because if their ripping aggro off you without their tank stance active, there is a problem on your end - either gear or rotation.

If they're ripping aggro off you with their tank stance, there is a problem on both of your ends - nothing is more annoying than tanks playing the "I AM THE TANK"-game. Thankfully, there is an easy solution to this: either be the "bigger" (or less annoying) person, turn off your tankstance and just focus on dealing damage - or ask the other tank politely "Hey, I would like to maintank, if thats alright - could you please turn off your tankstance?"

There is no need for adjustments to make it easier for a tank to steal aggro or fight for it. There is no need to fight over aggro - it just makes both tanks present bad tanks. Either communicate or silently accept the role thats open - so either MT (if the other tank doesnt has their stance up) or OT (if they do).

I'm very sorry to say this, but if your aggro is being pulled off of you, it's very likely that you're doing something terribly wrong. Either both the tanks started with their stance on (which shouldn't happen to begin with), or you started off as the main tank and you're not doing your rotation correctly by the time the other tank turns on their stance. Yes, PLD's damage is underwhelming right now, but using a 1 or 2 handed weapon has nothing to do with aggro or skill speed. If you want to main tank, ideally you will start with your stance on and the offtank will have their stance off. During the opener you'll generate enough aggro to keep it even if the OT turns their stance on after their own opener unless you shirk/they voke/you do way too little damage (even on PLD).

Seems to me that tanks taking aggro is a problem with you.... if DPS is taking aggro and you are playing decently, that would be a PLD problem.

Originally Posted by Mishakai

It's simple to check, have two tanks, equal gear, put stance on and do their rotations. PLD enmity bar will always be behind other tanks. I can switch class from PLD to WAR, IN THE SAME GEAR, run the same dungeon, and as WAR I will have aggro every time. The other tank isn't shirking, has tank stance on and is doing all their stuff too.

You don't seem to understand how enmity works. Yes, if two tanks start off both with their stance on, the one that deals more damage will keep aggro. But that's just not how things are done in 8 man content. If you're losing aggro in a dungeon with no other tank then that's absolutely your fault, not the job