Current State of ENDWALKER DNC

[justinhuang]

Let's get to the chase: DNC feels underwhelming and bloat. I believe much potent adjustment are in need and reconsideration of the flourish button playout.

As of now, both AOE and single attack of flourish are shared and did not has the intention of adjustment for 6.0 which is, I am paraphrasing, allowing for us to use either AOE melee or single version base on situation. As of now, AOE version deal less dmg than single version to single enemy. That means it does not has the effect of allowing us to use for melee range. I can't say much for keyboard players, but for me, who use controller, I need to add two flourish on hot bar, one next to aoe and other next to single, just so I don't clip.

Please buff AOE melee version as much as single but adjust the dmg fallout accordingly; maybe 50% to 60% fall off?

Secondly, potency change sounds like good idea but what about let us have back the old flourish which is they don't share CD of each other? that would be helpful in potency change. From my humble opinion, I actually like the old flourish. It's like I'm dancing around the map like a DNC.

Again, thank you ffxiv devs for continuing your passionate support. We've come this far thanks to you guys and I cannot wait to see more.

Please be kind to one another when sharing your opinion below.

[LianaThorne]

Aren't we getting adjustments to DNC like...pretty soon....or did that happen already and I'm way out of the loop?

[SDaemon]

Aren't we getting adjustments to DNC like...pretty soon....or did that happen already and I'm way out of the loop?

Hasn't happened yet

[Jennah]

There was talk that there'd be a Patch 6.08 (still not guaranteed), and that they're considering a potency buff for Dancer within it (might not happen, might be incredibly small).

Basically, Dancer's *supposed* to have the lowest personal dps ... which is fine, IMO? But its currently sitting too far below everyone else.

[Rolder50]

Basically, Dancer's *supposed* to have the lowest personal dps ... which is fine, IMO? But its currently sitting too far below everyone else.

This is true, but even when you add in additional DPS granted by its party buffs, its still the lowest by a considerable margin.

[kejakalope]

As of now, both AOE and single attack of flourish are shared and did not has the intention of adjustment for 6.0 which is, I am paraphrasing, allowing for us to use either AOE melee or single version base on situation. As of now, AOE version deal less dmg than single version to single enemy. That means it does not has the effect of allowing us to use for melee range. I can't say much for keyboard players, but for me, who use controller, I need to add two flourish on hot bar, one next to aoe and other next to single, just so I don't clip.

So, as a fellow controller user, your problem here is bad button layout, not bad job design. Dancer is incredibly controller-friendly now. Here's what you do to make your life much much much much easier:

Remove all your AoE rotation buttons from your controller binds. Just take them all off. Design the crossbar entirely for boss fights. This means you will have some stuff that is also incidentally AoE but which you need in a single-target fight too, like Saber Dance, Standard Step, and Technical Step, that's fine-- just take off the dedicated AoE buttons that have a superior single-target equivalent.

Now go to Hotbar 2, which you can access by flicking RB+B/Circle.

Replicate your first hotbar exactly, but replace the single-target attack buttons with equivalent AoE attack buttons.

The shared proc design now works in your favor. Just stay on Hotbar 2 during dungeon pulls, then flick RB+Y/Triangle when you reach a boss and fight with the single-target Hotbar 1.

There isn't QUITE enough space to replicate everything so you'll have to judge where to put some of the utility buttons (I keep Curing Waltz on bar 1 and Improvisation in its place on bar 2, for example, and just flick over if I need Improv during a boss fight), but overall this should make your bar much cleaner and your life much easier than trying to crowd both single-target and AoE functions onto a single crossbar.

As a general thing, the longer you play the game, the more you'll discover that as your skill with a job grows, periodically redoing your keybinds or crossbar layout can drastically improve your performance. If you try this out, you should have much better results with Dancer and will find it goes from feeling bloated to feeling very responsive and elegant.

Cheers!

[justinhuang]

So, as a fellow controller user, your problem here is bad button layout, not bad job design. Dancer is incredibly controller-friendly now. Here's what you do to make your life much much much much easier:

Remove all your AoE rotation buttons from your controller binds. Just take them all off. Design the crossbar entirely for boss fights. This means you will have some stuff that is also incidentally AoE but which you need in a single-target fight too, like Saber Dance, Standard Step, and Technical Step, that's fine-- just take off the dedicated AoE buttons that have a superior single-target equivalent.

Now go to Hotbar 2, which you can access by flicking RB+B/Circle.

Replicate your first hotbar exactly, but replace the single-target attack buttons with equivalent AoE attack buttons.

The shared proc design now works in your favor. Just stay on Hotbar 2 during dungeon pulls, then flick RB+Y/Triangle when you reach a boss and fight with the single-target Hotbar 1.

There isn't QUITE enough space to replicate everything so you'll have to judge where to put some of the utility buttons (I keep Curing Waltz on bar 1 and Improvisation in its place on bar 2, for example, and just flick over if I need Improv during a boss fight), but overall this should make your bar much cleaner and your life much easier than trying to crowd both single-target and AoE functions onto a single crossbar.

As a general thing, the longer you play the game, the more you'll discover that as your skill with a job grows, periodically redoing your keybinds or crossbar layout can drastically improve your performance. If you try this out, you should have much better results with Dancer and will find it goes from feeling bloated to feeling very responsive and elegant.

Cheers!

Appreciate your advise! though I can let you know that the problem itself, as I stated, is clipping. Having multiple hotbar for different situation is a good improvisation for the current shared CD of flourish but it would not eliminate the problem itself: you need to use AOE for AOE, single for single which is not align to what 6.0 DNC intention. If you miss click to an AOE for a single enemy, not its a dps lost. During intense movement and button mash, like burst, your chance of clipping is quiet high when compares to SHB. Hence, I believe it's a bloat.

I believe we can buff the AOE to same dmg as single but dmg drop off higher. I played DNC since SHB and the 4 CD of flourish gives you room to maneuver around the field.

[Brixy]

Appreciate your advise! though I can let you know that the problem itself, as I stated, is clipping. Having multiple hotbar for different situation is a good improvisation for the current shared CD of flourish but it would not eliminate the problem itself: you need to use AOE for AOE, single for single which is not align to what 6.0 DNC intention. If you miss click to an AOE for a single enemy, not its a dps lost. During intense movement and button mash, like burst, your chance of clipping is quiet high when compares to SHB. Hence, I believe it's a bloat.

I believe we can buff the AOE to same dmg as single but dmg drop off higher. I played DNC since SHB and the 4 CD of flourish gives you room to maneuver around the field.

Seems more like a bad button layout than a problem with Dancer. Dancer has it's fair share of issues, but it's honestly one of the easiest jobs in the game to setup rotation wise. Here is my controller setup:
Single target damage on right trigger. AoE damage on left trigger. Utility/longer recasts on double trigger taps. I use this same general flow for all jobs. Single target damage is always on the right. AoE is always on the left. It's just a simple trigger switch to adjust your whole rotation.

[IdowhatIwant]

One thing that angers me, is why can't devilment just turn to starfall dance after I press it. Does starfall dance really need to be another button. I can never use devilment while starfall dance is available, and I can never use starfall dance while devilment is available.

[Neri]

One thing that angers me, is why can't devilment just turn to starfall dance after I press it. Does starfall dance really need to be another button. I can never use devilment while starfall dance is available, and I can never use starfall dance while devilment is available.

Because they are different category, I guess. Devilment is an ability while Starfall is a weaponskill.