Change to the Vote Dismiss System

[ddwarbird]

When getting rid of disruptive or rude players, it would really help if the vote dismiss system actually ignored votes from premade party members. All the premade parties would never vote to dismiss one of their own members and it makes it a headache to get rid of toxic party members if there happens to be more then one of them.

Surely, this change could be made to the vote dismiss system so that premades cannot vote?

[Azuri]

Majority wins and if three players want you not to be in a party you will be kicked. The interests of three players are above the interests of one.

[ddwarbird]

No, the interest of premades should not be put ahead of the needs to solo players and premades should not have the ability to remove votes to dismiss trolling or toxic behaviour, just because they are premades.

[Avidria]

No, the interest of premades should not be put ahead of the needs to solo players and premades should not have the ability to remove votes to dismiss trolling or toxic behaviour, just because they are premades.

Ok but blocking them from voting while still allowing vote dismiss to function would allow a solo player to unilaterally kick someone in a 3 or 7 man premade, which is... I mean gonna be honest even more silly than being unable to kick that one jerkwad surrounded by enabling friends.

[linayar]

There is pro and con to this proposed change.

Maybe, instead, the game should provide to the person who was kicked the reason given for the kick and then allow them to challenge and report the kick if they feel it's been misused.

[Katie_Kitty]

There is pro and con to this proposed change.

Maybe, instead, the game should provide to the person who was kicked the reason given for the kick and then allow them to challenge and report the kick if they feel it's been misused.

I don't think we need GMs micromanaging votekicks. That's seriously excessive.

[Penthea]

No, the interest of premades should not be put ahead of the needs to solo players and premades should not have the ability to remove votes to dismiss trolling or toxic behaviour, just because they are premades.

So solo players should be able to decide on the behalf of premades if someone is worth playing with? You think being a solo player grants a person some manner of superior judgement? Do you also think no solo players are trolls or toxic? That none would abuse the ability to kick whoever they want if they knew no one could stop them?

And do you really think a premade group would always just continue the content if their buddy gets kicked? I certainly would leave if I felt the kick my friend got was undeserved. No way would I want to continue to play with people who mistreated my friend.

I'm starting to think that this thread is related to your other thread about players being unhappy with your single pack pulls as a tank. Did you get kicked and now you're very salty about it?

[ddwarbird]

So solo players should be able to decide on the behalf of premades if someone is worth playing with? You think being a solo player grants a person some manner of superior judgement? Do you also think no solo players are trolls or toxic? That none would abuse the ability to kick whoever they want if they knew no one could stop them?

And do you really think a premade group would always just continue the content if their buddy gets kicked? I certainly would leave if I felt the kick my friend got was undeserved. No way would I want to continue to play with people who mistreated my friend.

I'm starting to think that this thread is related to your other thread about players being unhappy with your single pack pulls as a tank. Did you get kicked and now you're very salty about it?

No actually, I didn't get kicked, I just had a premade that were trolling the entire dungeon and pulling more then I felt comfortable doing. But because they were in a premade, I couldn't do anything about it. I am really tired of people like this, that ruin other people's experiences just to show off to their friends. It happens in so many games and so many games are ruined by it. Of course you would leave but if anyone in my guild got kicked for being obnoxious, I would happily stay. I don't have loyalty to people who cannot be respectful or decent.

[Penthea]

No actually, I didn't get kicked, I just had a premade that were trolling the entire dungeon and pulling more then I felt comfortable doing. But because they were in a premade, I couldn't do anything about it. I am really tired of people like this, that ruin other people's experiences just to show off to their friends. It happens in so many games and so many games are ruined by it. Of course you would leave but if anyone in my guild got kicked for being obnoxious, I would happily stay. I don't have loyalty to people who cannot be respectful or decent.

There are unpleasant people in every game. Some games nurture or enable this behaviour more than others but there isn't a single gaming community that doesn't have mean-spirited people. When you play with random people expect random results. Sometimes random won't be in your favour. If you feel the situation won't improve then leave. That's what you can do about it. If their behaviour was truly awful then you can report them.

What you're presenting as a solution merely swaps one problem for another. Solo players can be toxic trolls too and there are those out there who wouldn't think twice about kicking someone from the premade just to get some laughs.

The best way to deal with these people is to not engage with them and report them. By staying in the group you're rewarding their behaviour. By not reporting them you're enabling it.

[kejakalope]

No actually, I didn't get kicked, I just had a premade that were trolling the entire dungeon and pulling more then I felt comfortable doing. But because they were in a premade, I couldn't do anything about it. I am really tired of people like this, that ruin other people's experiences just to show off to their friends. It happens in so many games and so many games are ruined by it. Of course you would leave but if anyone in my guild got kicked for being obnoxious, I would happily stay. I don't have loyalty to people who cannot be respectful or decent.

If they're being abusive or trolling, file a GM report. If they're not breaking any game rules and were at their keyboard, playing, then... you didn't have any grounds to votekick them anyway.