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[Shiroifushicho]

Hello FFXIV community,

I don't write really often subjects here, but the updates that came up with the game lastely kinda pushed me to write this. I am sure much people, devs, and may be all the team already think to what i am thinking, but i prefer to put theses ideas in all mind to check if it's any good.

A fact that FFXIV is really original here among other mmorpg with his many jobs / standard classes.
But let's say it, it became a bit fuzzy lastely. Today people tend to choose jobs over standards because it's said sharper and more specific. Sure we have on the other side the "paladin" issue, but it's another story i won't discuss here...
Then we got this try from FFXIVdevs with gear only for ARC/PUG/THM/CONJ/MAR/LNC/GLAD which somewhere have the purpose to give them some kind of credit. But well i think it's (really) far from enough...

So i was thinking with many others, it would be clever to give them even more specific things to dig a gap really much bigger and much interresting to play. This could go with that kind of specific gear fore sure but i was thinking more about exclusive abilities that jobs can't get. The aim is to finish with something like "Hey what do you prefer, I take BRD you take ARC? What do you know the best?" or "BRD can X and ARC can Y" like if there were 2 separate entities that borrow the same weapon.

If by statement SE decide jobs are more sharp, more biased... then all these standards classes could get some other things jobs don't have, may be support, generals or alternatives uses of the jobs... I could be a good point to go with a classes instead of a job. I am not talking about spells you can already steal to other classes, but really something basically new.

Also they could add some restrictives things to force people to choose (may be less fun at some points of view) : "Team can't enter in this donjon if 2 people got a same job."

I really think SE have to make a good choice for that : Poursue with original stuff to have 2 différent choice for one weapon, or stick with one unique use. But for sure, to conclude if we still always say in 2.0 "Take War, it's better then MRD" or "Job is evolution of standard class" there is a fail somehow to my mind...

What's your point of view about that?

[Seirra_Lanzce]

Hmmmm from what i read here... let me summarize it..

You want class to have more define roles?

[Jokerz]

My hope depends heavily on how much pvp content is implemented. I think the goof up with classes and jobs can be a benefit in this aspect where classes more then likely will out perform jobs in pvp content. Classes have more survivability and more flexibility as opposed to jobs, so the basis is already there. Keep jobs abilities focused on group/pve play and balance accordingly and give classes more pvp abilities and balance accordingly.

With that my folks we may have the holy grail where a game manages to balance pvp elements without destroying the pve aspect of the game

[Hyrist]

My hope depends heavily on how much pvp content is implemented. I think the goof up with classes and jobs can be a benefit in this aspect where classes more then likely will out perform jobs in pvp content. Classes have more survivability and more flexibility as opposed to jobs, so the basis is already there. Keep jobs abilities focused on group/pve play and balance accordingly and give classes more pvp abilities and balance accordingly.

With that my folks we may have the holy grail where a game manages to balance pvp elements without destroying the pve aspect of the game

Actually that's quite a good idea. I like it.

Won't prevent me from wanting to be on Dragoon JUST to scare someone in PVP by jumping on them, but yeah the concept is sound.

[Antanias]

Keep jobs abilities focused on group/pve play and balance accordingly and give classes more pvp abilities and balance accordingly.

With that my folks we may have the holy grail where a game manages to balance pvp elements without destroying the pve aspect of the game

Coming from someone who doesn't pvp, this is a sound idea

[Alhanelem]

Classes are fine the way they are. Classes = freedom and flexability, jobs = focused power with constraints.

[Felis]

If by statement SE decide jobs are more sharp, more biased... then all these standards classes could get some other things jobs don't have, may be support, generals or alternatives uses of the jobs... I could be a good point to go with a classes instead of a job. I am not talking about spells you can already steal to other classes, but really something basically new.

There are already something like this. THM is a DD/support (example: AoE Sanguine Rite. Only a THM can do this with the damage reduction part, no job) while BLM is a focused DD.

[HiirNoivl]

I believe that Yoship's post mentioned something about jobs being for party play, and classes were more suited to solo/duoing. The PvP angle was one I hadn't considered.

[Felis]

What about party PvP (team versus team)? Classes or jobs?

[Zenaku]

why do people care so much about the class system? Bard is a ARC with 5 new spell it still play as a ARC it still have a bow still have the same rules just 5 Spell that make it better then class for doing full party events. Like the other jobs just have 5 new spell which make it better for party.

How many topic do we have to make before people understand that class=solo / low manning and job= party? people who want to solo can play class people who like party can play jobs. But for some party event class are still better like ifrit i wont go as drg i like to go as lancer due to the fact that i live longer and can get people up if they die + i can heal and stoneskin myself if the other whms fail to do there job.