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    Quote Originally Posted by Celendil View Post
    I agree. Like it or not I've used macros for all my jobs. Not just crafting or RP reasons. And doing endgame content this way. No one has ever noticed or even asked me about it. So don't give me that GC crap. Cause I make even the best tanks and dps struggle to keep up with me. Just gotta make them right. And playing alts alot. I want more space to share my job skills.
    /doubt

    It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.
    Actually, that "fact" was based on a widely propagated misunderstanding and has since been debunked.

    The big problem is that most players don't understand how FF14's macros work, what a macro is capable of, or how to write a macro properly; and it makes perfect sense that most players don't know these things because the macro system is both incredibly unintuitive and in no way explained. So it's common for players to try to get macros to do things they can't do, or to try to use them in ways that prevent them from working, or to simply fumble a macro's implementation in some way that undermines it. If you hold a handsaw from the wrong end, you're going to have a bad time, and it's not because handsaws are bad at what they do.

    I wrote a massive post on this topic that contains a lot of nuanced information — including the scientific demonstration that debunks this commonly misunderstood idea that macros are bad in combat — so I encourage you to check it out: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-or-Lost-Casts
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    Actually, that "fact" was based on a widely propagated misunderstanding and has since been debunked. The truth is that whether you're using normal actions or macros, both have pros and cons, and thus which you use in different circumstances will be dependent upon the distinct needs of a given player. But most people don't understand how macros work or how to use them properly (which makes perfect sense since the game never explains them) and thus it's easy fumble your way into bad results.

    I wrote a massive post on this topic that contains a lot of nuanced information as well as the scientific demonstration that debunks this commonly misunderstood idea that macros are bad in combat; I encourage you to check it out: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-or-Lost-Casts



    No, you wrote a post that got debunked.
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  4. 03-19-2024 07:53 AM
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    Jeeqbit and AmiableApkallu have productively responded to the "macros bad" claim, no need for me to draw it out fur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.
    There are definitely ways to use them for combat. You just have to know how. The only reason people recommend not to use them for combat is because you have to know how to make a macro that avoids the issues and new players are not likely to know that.

    Here are some examples:
    • Shirk macro.
    • Intervention macro.
    • Provoke macro to make sure it works.
    • Sprint macro (don't personally have this, but many do).
    • Nascent Flash macro.
    • Heart of Corundum macro.
    • Shukuchi macros.
    • Aetherial Manipulation target macros.
    • Aetherial Manipulation mouseover macros.
    • Rescue mouseover macros.
    • Mudra rearrangement macros.
    • Cover macros.
    • Sacred Soil macros (less relevant with how big it is these days).
    • Used to be macros for Salted Earth, WAR stances, autoturrets, etc.
    • Macros to adjust autofacetarget on/off on a healer, so that your heals don't turn you around suddenly while a gaze is happening, or mess with your direction while running.
    • Focus target macros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    There are definitely ways to use them for combat. You just have to know how. The only reason people recommend not to use them for combat is because you have to know how to make a macro that avoids the issues and new players are not likely to know that.

    Here are some examples:
    • Shirk macro.
    • Intervention macro.
    • Provoke macro to make sure it works.
    • Sprint macro (don't personally have this, but many do).
    • Nascent Flash macro.
    • Heart of Corundum macro.
    • Shukuchi macros.
    • Aetherial Manipulation target macros.
    • Aetherial Manipulation mouseover macros.
    • Rescue mouseover macros.
    • Mudra rearrangement macros.
    • Cover macros.
    • Sacred Soil macros (less relevant with how big it is these days).
    • Used to be macros for Salted Earth, WAR stances, autoturrets, etc.
    • Macros to adjust autofacetarget on/off on a healer, so that your heals don't turn you around suddenly while a gaze is happening, or mess with your direction while running.
    • Focus target macros.



    Some sites have numbers available to see, and when someone says that even the best dps and tanks can't keep up with them, we'll it's just one search away to check that, and yeah, not true.
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