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[Zsolen]

Did the GM mention the carrds in the conversations with these people? The two occasions I've seen don't mention them.

They don't have to do so, but it is the common link. You put an ERP carrd in advertisement or on your character's info, and you are putting yourself at risk. SE made it quite clear to not advertise ERP. You keep something like that private.

[armoroad]

The carrds. It was mentioned then and is mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should read before telling people to mind their own business.

Just one thing, but from past experience with literal fucking predators in this game, the GMs are instructed that anything that's outside the game cannot be used as basis for an in-game punishment. They won't even ban people who are preying on kids for real if there are no in-game logs.

So why does everyone think it's carrd? And even if it were the 18+ carrd, wouldn't that mean the GM was still breaching policy by issuing a warning for something on a third-party platform?
Addendum: Yes, they changed this rule for Twitch, but only for Twitch. I even recently spoke with a GM about things like RMT on Twitter and was told third-party platforms cannot be used as evidence except Twitch specifically.

[Zsolen]

Just one thing, but from past experience with literal fucking predators in this game, the GMs are instructed that anything that's outside the game cannot be used as basis for an in-game punishment. They won't even ban people who are preying on kids for real if there are no in-game logs.

So why does everyone think it's carrd? And even if it were the 18+ carrd, wouldn't that mean the GM was breaching policy by issuing a warning for something on a third-party platform?

It's linked to them in game. It's just like how Arthars got hit through his stream over attacking a player. He said nothing in game. FFXIV knows it is his character connected to the stream. SE also knows these carrds are connected to the characters.

[armoroad]

It's linked to them in game. It's just like how Arthars got hit through his stream over attacking a player. He said nothing in game. FFXIV knows it is his character connected to the stream. SE also knows these carrds are connected to the characters.

Stream is the cinch. The ToS cites Twitch to be an exception to the otherwise standing rule that third party platforms are not punishable. Selling art for gil on twitter, for example, even linked ingame, can't be punished under current policy.

[GaleMex]

They don't have to do so, but it is the common link. You put an ERP carrd in advertisement or on your character's info, and you are putting yourself at risk. SE made it quite clear to not advertise ERP. You keep something like that private.

We're missing the point again.

This thread was never about ERP or selling/advertising ERP. The GM's only justification was "inappropriate", which is a barely defined term at best in this scenario. Harassing someone is inappropriate, too. Is that what happened? What is the "inappropriate"?

If the GM had simply stated something as short as "your advertisement contained a link with services that break our terms of service", then this thread wouldn't exist. We would all definitively have known what the problem is. But until such a clarification is made, pointing to the carrd's ERP services is missing the point at best and scapegoating at worst.

[Zsolen]

Stream is the cinch. The ToS cites Twitch to be an exception to the otherwise standing rule that third party platforms are not punishable. Selling art for gil on twitter, for example, even linked ingame, can't be punished under current policy.

The suspensions prove otherwise. SE doesn't rando ban so easily.

We're missing the point again.

This thread was never about ERP or selling/advertising ERP. The GM's only justification was "inappropriate", which is a barely defined term at best in this scenario. Harassing someone is inappropriate, too. Is that what happened? What is the "inappropriate"?

If the GM had simply stated something as short as "your advertisement contained a link with services that break our terms of service", then this thread wouldn't exist. We would all definitively have known what the problem is. But until such a clarification is made, pointing to the carrd's ERP services is missing the point at best and scapegoating at worst.

The don't have to do so. From my understanding, they don't want you to connect the dots to the reporting individual. It's not hard to understand why SE doesn't want ERP carrds in their game. If you don't want to have an honest conversation and would instead prefer to misuse terms such as 'scapegoat,' maybe don't continue to respond.

[GaleMex]

The don't have to do so. From my understanding, they don't want you to connect the dots to the reporting individual. It's not hard to understand why SE doesn't want ERP carrds in their game. If you don't want to have an honest conversation and would instead prefer to misuse terms such as 'scapegoat,' maybe don't continue to respond.

You've gotta be a dang good detective to glean who reported you from stating "your pf has a link that contains something that breaks our ToS".

I'll have an honest conversation when people are honest with themselves that they just don't like RP of any kind, E or not, in their vicinity and/or server.

[Zsolen]

You've gotta be a dang good detective to glean who reported you from stating "your pf has a link that contains something that breaks our ToS".

I'll have an honest conversation when people are honest with themselves that they just don't like RP of any kind, E or not, in their vicinity and/or server.

It is a blanket policy on anything. I don't make their rules. People have complained about it in the past. This thread feigns innocence. They knew they weren't innocent. People telling them not not use these carrds for that purpose is actually helping them out and not being anti-ERP.

Don't make assumptions about me. You have no clue what I am and am not okay with.

[Kakure]

Cause it means you have compromised morals. Easy as that. Your morals are fake and compromised and you don't care about it. In most societies you have a public responsibility. Like not running naked through the streets in front of kiddos. Even if you paint on your forehead that you only want to be watched by adults.

That's offensive and patently ridiculous. And also not really an answer to my question.

I have zero desire to ERP with teenagers. None. (I don't really roleplay at all and consider myself more of an RP ally, but that's neither here nor there). I thought teenagers were stupid when I was a teenager myself, and now that I'm old enough to have teenagers of my own -- and many of my friends do -- you literally could not pay me to spend time with them (no offense to any teenagers out there, but you'll get it someday).

But I am not the police of underage sexuality and my duty of care cannot possibly extend beyond taking reasonable steps to make sure the person I'm roleplaying with is an adult. In a real-life setting (a bar, a strip club, a liquor store), it is reasonable to ask someone for physical ID. Here in a video game, asking someone their age is pretty much all you can reasonably expect. As Tosume has pointed out a couple times, what is actually invasive and creepy isn't taking someone's word about their age, it is pressing them to give you any kind of contact or personally identifying information to prove it.

I'm not sure what kind of public responsibility (presumably legal) you think I have, but it is laughable to suggest that my legal responsibility extends beyond the legal responsibility of an actual porn site which you can access just by checking a box that says you're eighteen. Some do not even do that.

Deliberately grooming kids is one thing. That is bad, no question, and it may be a crime. But that is not what we are talking about here. We're talking about adults taking reasonable, good-faith precautions to vet their RP partners and you freaking out and calling them names because they aren't super paranoid about the possibility that some kid could be lying to them.

[GaleMex]

It is a blanket policy on anything. I don't make their rules. People have complained about it in the past. This thread feigns innocence. They knew they weren't innocent. People telling them not not use these carrds for that purpose is actually helping them out and not being anti-ERP.

Don't make assumptions about me. You have no clue what I am and am not okay with.

Comments like "banning all the brothels is better off" and similar comments are not helpful, nor are the comments equating that 18+ = sexual implications/ERP. I have no beef with people suggesting that the ERP in the carrd is the problem and suggesting removing it, even though I think that is still missing the point.

At no point have I made an assumption about you specifically.