Limited Data Travel System

[Caurcas]

Not sure about that but it was made pretty clear to prevent culture clashes. To me it further solidifies the actual audience of FF14 is the JP one with the rest of just being financial contributors. Saw Korean developers make similar statements constantly about their MMO's and the message is very clear to NA and EU players.

That is funny considering NA/EU dwarf JP in population numbers.

[Shougun]

On the values vs prices it wouldn't surprise me if it was values either intended in words or just actual actions. Interesting to see people sometimes surprised but xenophoiba is not a western exclusive feature and in my experience the amount while not good is not nearly as bad as places you'd be surprised 'do it better' (speaking places that get that generic first world country badge, which I'm not sure I really love that term anyways).

I used to work with an international group and given my position with English, and I assume color, was well welcomed in all groups but I noticed this trend where (foreign)Asians-ethnic groups would hang out with each other but Japanese, Japanese would only hang out with Japanese except when in the group activities. I asked the non-Japanese why they didn't hang out together and they said they never felt welcomed, occasionally treated inferior, and they would only talk in Japanese around them even when English was the common denominator language. I asked the Japanese group separately why there seems to be a clear division and it ranged, a lot of it had to do with comfort being around familiarity, values and ideas, (their own) and lack of pressure to excel at something they didn't feel they did well (English, though I felt most people there were quite good). Anyway, that's anecdotal, but you can also see Japanese only locations throughout Japan, with a lot of complaints certain groups have in western countries being mirrored very similarly (if not worse, imo, in some situations). Luckily I am of an 'okay' to accept appearance/group so I've never had as many of these issues personally, but I do think people who haven't had outside their bubble experience, or are not able to connect and ask people deeper questions, might have a surprised and flawed perspective on how the rest of the world works. JP Onry is very real, and funnily people who would lambaste a US Only (it's not just the language, though you can certainly slip in to some groups if you can break into that- chameleon people are probably going to feel it's just language, but that's because they're able to mirror culture, I've been able to do it in FFXI, but that's because I adopt as much as I can to fit in, and hardly speak because windower translate wasn't that great at the time lol).

Message isn't X is horrible Y is utopia, my personal experiences with diverse individuals and groups have been relatively quite good (as in it seems easy and fun to be accepted and meld, though I do believe in 'melding', bring a little of me, mirror a little of them, making a bridge, as which I consider myself fortunate), and on this topic I've met some extremely inviting Japanese who break all of the above like hammers on glass (spent hundreds of hours duo'ing warframe with a Japanese fellow, and we talked about everything from personal beliefs, world politics, religions, movies, the gambit), but I think sometimes this conversation is funny because if similar behaviors were seen by us (as they are sometimes) we'd find it.. in general.. an unacceptable and generally disturbing behavior.

Then again there is an interesting conversation to be had about preserving culture and values, one which would quickly get you labeled horrible things if you talked about most western countries lol (and maybe some groups that talk about this are bad though), but I'd not say there isn't things about Japanese severs I wished our NA / EU servers did better (servers mirroring some cultural values of the nations themselves)- like... not knowing what the heck to do and blaming everyone else for sucking lol. That seems to be far more prevalent in our PUGs.... If I had time I'd probably sincerely think about switching to a JP server just so I could more readily do DF savage content, DF savage in NA (at least on crystal .... lol) is generally, imo, a waste of time. If I had a group of friends that magically matched my wack schedule I would probably do it, but.. yeah I don't . No point in doing them then, as it'll have a high chance of failure and disband, or it'll take you like 45 minutes to do 15 minutes of content and you'll have to pull your fingernails out X more times to get something of value. Nope. Though I do really appreciate that content slides down the mountain, getting 4, 2, or even solo depending on how long you wait is quite achievable. I still would like to see a few more tweaks to blue but the job has come a long way from release and is very much in a position of exceptionally strong potential to help with that concept as well. (Made loads of comments on it before so I've said what, just not the place to make them again here).

Anyway I think its an interesting topic, and I also find there are a lot of double standards on it where people who'd be like NOT IN MY COUNTRY would then be 180 on the same principles when you just exchange the location. Or alternatively "it's fine when we do it, or it's not as bad so it doesn't count, whataboutisms, and you're the 'real' big Choco turd if you do it", as is common to see online as people forget their history, and often their present too even, so they can offload responsibility and guilt while clutching onto some fake superiority. I don't have all the answers, my general sentiment is both approaches melded together is best.. but I see no clear path to get people to be more value on the individual experience, more accepting and welcoming regardless of differences while also owning your responsibility and doing what you need to do so people can succeed together, real magic trick to make both the individual and the group important at the same time lol.

It makes sense to me if they didn't want to blow down the walls instantly, it's only a realistic perspective on the situation- yet I am fascinated to see them crumble though. I sincerely hope the technology and the people part of it would happen to make a good result (blending best values over just one consuming or filtering off and fighting the other).

[Quintessa]

That is funny considering NA/EU dwarf JP in population numbers.

And in Aion(Korean MMO) there's more of both.

The companies have to appeal to their locals but that's not to say other regions are unimportant.

[Vonleo]

That is funny considering NA/EU dwarf JP in population numbers.

Which is absolutely true. Japan has a population problem and will continue to do so until there is an actual culture change when it comes to prioritizing work over family/friends. So until japan changes this culture that all work and no play is the only way to be successful they will continue to have population problems.

[Lauront]

Got news for you.

You can make a new character on JP servers as is.

And you believe that involves the same degree of convenience as simply right clicking on an aetheryte to travel to the JP DC and would pose the same risk perception of western players flooding to their servers, just as they're glad they're finally free of the "Oceania" ones?

[MsQi]

I mean, I don't really want to play with Americans either.

"IM IN UR BASE KILLING ALL YOUR DOODZ"

[Katie_Kitty]

I Srsly dont want this whole thing to happend. Its a reason i picked a certain Server and data center. Its a Reason why i want to be on a low pop server. It may not affect me, but the idea is still out there.
I understand people make friends thru discord and etc. over the data center. But what is the point exactly? Just pop up and si "hi hi<3" and leave? I understand the whole "immersive role playing" being played into. This is what the game is based off.

Having cross server was good for PF. But then cross server visit happend and i did not like its direction(market for example). I understand they want to "balance" out their servers so people can be on.. But before people creating characters it is OBV they pick one with "most populated" for social aspect.

There's no reason not to want this to happen, and it's very weird that you think keeping datacenters are closed-off units is good for some reason. Allowing DC travel will greatly expand raiding opportunities for players all over the world. There's no good reason why I should not be able to raid with people on Aether or Crystal while having my home world on Primal. None.

[Johaandr]

There's no reason not to want this to happen, and it's very weird that you think keeping datacenters are closed-off units is good for some reason. Allowing DC travel will greatly expand raiding opportunities for players all over the world. There's no good reason why I should not be able to raid with people on Aether or Crystal while having my home world on Primal. None.

There is always a reason to oppose against it. And there is always reason to want it to happend.
Even if its wierd or not.
Yes indeed it will "Greatly" expand raiding oppertunitites for players all over the world. But is that it? Is this the reason they're doing it?
Server travel is already good enough and even "big" enough. There arent much latency problem(it is doable appearntly).

Before Party Cross-Over happend it was hard to gather party for Gordias Savage from your own server. When they made it possible it became reasonble since we meet eachother in DF anyways.
Then Server visit happend. Which "kinda" was a good thing(social aspect of it ofc). I was open for it but i didnt like it i just stay on Spriggan.

[Eldelphia]

The reason I want to travel from NA servers to EU ones is because I'm an EU player on an NA server. This happened because my group from FFXI was a mixed group (global servers) and there were more Canadian and US players than EU. Now we have a mixed bunch of about 60% NA/40% EU. Some of these folks I've been playing with since 2004. I don't want to split the group, so I'm on an NA server.

It's even worse now because the servers moved to the West Coast US. I would like to preserve my social group and not suffer from poor ping. I'd like to do duties on an EU server. Sure, I could move - and lose most of my Free Company.

[Katie_Kitty]

There is always a reason to oppose against it. And there is always reason to want it to happend.
Even if its wierd or not.
Yes indeed it will "Greatly" expand raiding oppertunitites for players all over the world. But is that it? Is this the reason they're doing it?
Server travel is already good enough and even "big" enough. There arent much latency problem(it is doable appearntly).

Before Party Cross-Over happend it was hard to gather party for Gordias Savage from your own server. When they made it possible it became reasonble since we meet eachother in DF anyways.
Then Server visit happend. Which "kinda" was a good thing(social aspect of it ofc). I was open for it but i didnt like it i just stay on Spriggan.

The point is that options are always good. There's no good reason to keep primal, crystal, and aether closed off from each other. The only reason at all would be some weird datacenter prejudice which just makes no freakin' sense to me at all.