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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilands View Post
    ...better tools are needed.
    The other side of the scales is outside of roleplay - it's reputational. It's not optimal to make it too easy for people to roll a new character and be 90 with all glams, mounts, minions straight off, as that removal eases the chances to stalk/harass someone, then delete the character - or whatever.

    If there's a cost to an alt be it financial or putting in the time (and I have a few alts gathered over the years), then bad behaviour is controlled a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilands View Post
    ...such as character death...
    Character renames come to mind there.

    It's the same argument as the openworld PvP thread. Not enough people do in-depth RP compared to change the game away from it's PvE core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Why do you need to level up alts for RP? get them to your housing district and outfit them with level 1 glams.
    In case you want to rp in Kugane and the like. Because many places are level or game locked.
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    I mean, I'm very sure SE is aware that rpers like to have leveled up characters for the zones, etc and whatever else. Having to purchase the stuffs is what they want. Why wouldn't it be? More $ in their pockets; working as intended honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coletergeist View Post
    I mean, I'm very sure SE is aware that rpers like to have leveled up characters for the zones, etc and whatever else. Having to purchase the stuffs is what they want. Why wouldn't it be? More $ in their pockets; working as intended honestly.
    Eh, maybe so, but I have hope for the future of rp with the new bloom I've noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilands View Post
    ...To roleplay a different character, one would have to either fully level the alt and beat the story,
    The advantage of this - and it's what, a month or so if you just skip through as fast as possible, is there will be less throw-away alting.
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    I understand the good intent behind this post but I would really not want this game to be like WoW where suddenly people have more role-play characters at 80/90 than the amount of brain, personal time and energy required to develop them on a meaningful level.

    A huge thing about online RP is that you have to use your imagination to fill in a lot of the gaps. You do not need an alt character for a story NPC or event NPC, imo.

    I used to role-play on WoW and up until around Cataclysm, most people had a dedicated character whose story they worked on and developed at length. Then came the age of a million alts and people couldn't decide which one they wanted to use, where people became more fickle and characters became more like coats to try on occasionally instead of something we put any time into developing. I know that doesn't apply to everyone, ofc but I also don't want a shit tonne more IMVU alts running around everywhere. It's jarring enough as it is, lol.

    It also made trying to recruit for an RP guild a nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haru304 View Post
    I understand the good intent behind this post but I would really not want this game to be like WoW where suddenly people have more role-play characters at 80/90 than the amount of brain, personal time and energy required to develop them on a meaningful level.

    A huge thing about online RP is that you have to use your imagination to fill in a lot of the gaps. You do not need an alt character for a story NPC or event NPC, imo.

    I used to role-play on WoW and up until around Cataclysm, most people had a dedicated character whose story they worked on and developed at length. Then came the age of a million alts and people couldn't decide which one they wanted to use, where people became more fickle and characters became more like coats to try on occasionally instead of something we put any time into developing. I know that doesn't apply to everyone, ofc but I also don't want a shit tonne more IMVU alts running around everywhere. It's jarring enough as it is, lol.

    It also made trying to recruit for an RP guild a nightmare.
    There's a few consequences to this that aren't immediately apparent, such as character death, no one is going to permit their character to die for even the greatest of narrative reasons if they are going to have to spend 1-2 months now leveling gearing and unlocking blue quests with another character for roleplay. Additionally, NPCs are just extremely useful, especially when made recurring, sometimes even becoming full characters. You'll find that if you simply roleplay enough there is a need for alts and npcs. They will become developed eventually, and recruiting is handled trough quality of roleplay interactions. It would also flourish world rp by increasing the amount of useable areas.
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    While I'm not sold on the idea of being able to create higher level alts without a boost, having some additional help for RPers would be good. For example:

    1. Allow all characters to travel to all main cities as long as they're the appropriate level and the player already has a character that's reached that point in the MSQ. I've got a level 56 Warrior that just now got to Ishgard and I can't travel to Idyllshire to spend my tomestones. I'm guaranteed to hit 60 early on in the HW MSQ, with no way to get to Rhalgr's Reach to spend tomestones. Even if all we have is access to the main cities and associated housing districts, it would be a major QoL change for alt characters.

    I understand the story progression reasons for limiting access to zones based on MSQ progress and 100% agree with it for any and all zones outside of main cities and housing districts.

    2. Making the Glamour Dresser account wide would be amazing. My guess is this would be quite a complex thing and not practical to do, but it sure would be nice for my alt to be able to access all the glamour items my main has and vice versa.


    To address a question: yes, there's quite a bit of in-world, non-ERP, non-dating sim RP out there if you go looking for it. One may need to make sure to specify to RPers encountered on a case by case basis that NSFW RP is out of bounds just to make sure though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    While I'm not sold on the idea of being able to create higher level alts without a boost, having some additional help for RPers would be good. For example:

    1. Allow all characters to travel to all main cities as long as they're the appropriate level and the player already has a character that's reached that point in the MSQ. I've got a level 56 Warrior that just now got to Ishgard and I can't travel to Idyllshire to spend my tomestones. I'm guaranteed to hit 60 early on in the HW MSQ, with no way to get to Rhalgr's Reach to spend tomestones. Even if all we have is access to the main cities and associated housing districts, it would be a major QoL change for alt characters.
    Do the NPCs near the Aetherite Plazas not appear until after a certain point in the MSQ? I've never bothered with an alt, so honestly curious to know if they only appear after the MSQ for that section of the game is finished with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Do the NPCs near the Aetherite Plazas not appear until after a certain point in the MSQ? I've never bothered with an alt, so honestly curious to know if they only appear after the MSQ for that section of the game is finished with.
    Nope. If I remember correctly if you somehow got there before the MSQ caught up - if you even CAN do that...- those NPCs will not be there.
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