A PvP Driven Expansion For 7.0

[van_arn]

Because someone locking me out of a msq quest because he's nonstop camping me (or the npc) is FUN

I mean it is, but it takes a special type of player to enjoy this. This is when you call in your buddies to lock the camper out of their MSQ.

[Penthea]

What is it with this notion that you can't have one with the other?

I never said this. I even said I'm fine with pvp existing. It currently exists in FFXIV and I'm fine with it. I just don't want FFXIV to turn into an entirely different game like OP wants.

[Velnora]

I never said this. I even said I'm fine with pvp existing. It currently exists in FFXIV and I'm fine with it. I just don't want FFXIV to turn into an entirely different game like OP wants.

You are creating a boogeyman, thinking the game would fundamentally change.

[Penthea]

You are creating a boogeyman, thinking the game would fundamentally change.

If you think a pvp-driven game isn't much different to a pve-driven game then you clearly have not played a pvp-driven game.

And before anyone mentions WoW, it was never a pvp-driven game. It has always been mainly pve.

[Miiu]

You are creating a boogeyman, thinking the game would fundamentally change.

Uhm... huh?
You are aware of the main point people are arguing here, right?
Just as a reminder:

As the title suggests, SE making 7.0 a pvp driven expansion would really shake up the formula and create many interesting opportunities. First the more practical being that content would have a longer shelf life given it would be more player driven. Also it would make the open world far more interesting by during the boring, one and done zones into moving, contested fronts. They could even do monthly/seasonal rewards and titles for those that control the most land. [...]

The OP is suggesting a fundamental change to how the game is being played. So yeah the game would change if pvp would dictate the flow of the game.

[Velnora]

Uhm... huh?
You are aware of the main point people are arguing here, right?
Just as a reminder:


The OP is suggesting a fundamental change to how the game is being played. So yeah the game would change if pvp would dictate the flow of the game.

A pvp driven expansion does not equate a fundamental change. That is a strawman.

[Velnora]

If you think a pvp-driven game isn't much different to a pve-driven game then you clearly have not played a pvp-driven game.

And before anyone mentions WoW, it was never a pvp-driven game. It has always been mainly pve.

"it was never a pvp-driven game"

Yeah, you clearly never played vanilla. PvP was THE thing to do.

[Penthea]

"it was never a pvp-driven game"

Yeah, you clearly never played vanilla.

Oh yea it sure was pvp-driven with the majority of its servers being pve...lol

And I did play in vanilla. I was actually quite the pvp fiend back then. Until I discovered raiding and left that behind.

[Velnora]

Oh yea it sure was pvp-driven with the majority of its servers being pve...lol

And I did play in vanilla. I was actually quite the pvp fiend back then. Until I discovered raiding and left that behind.

Oh, so then you are just being disingenuous. Alright then.

[Shurrikhan]

A pvp driven expansion does not equate a fundamental change. That is a strawman.

The "drive" of a game is almost definitively fundamental to said game.

I don't think PvP elements or theming would be the worst thing ever -- if done well and leaving the actual, direct combat with other players optional, and that's a hell of a caveat. Heck, the original plan for 1.x actually involved a fair bit of PvP (and is now basically just the warring, Eikon-summoning factions of FF16).

But moving from "PvP is a barely supported afterthought" to "PvP is required and even locks which portions of the economy, and perhaps world, that you may interact with behind factions" would indeed be a fundamental change.