No Public Beta Testing: good bad for the game?

[Recon1o6]

I would say that a public test should only be for job changes and thats it. Nothing else in the data to datamine etc

The state of tanks and healers for a long time is why

[Sorimachi87]

Really dont think SE needs us for a beta testing of content. And pretty much everything else has been said what i wanted to say with the data mining and SE doing a very good job without us in terms of beta testing content.

[Wyakin]

Not sure how seeing all the content you’re gonna get and testing it before it’s released for the devs can ever be a good thing. Spoil your own surprise and do their jobs while not being paid to do so all the while actually paying for the pleasure to do this? No thanks

[Atreides]

The state of tanks and healers for a long time is why

No testing would do anything about that because it is that way by design for years now.

[Jojoya]

Can you show me Q&A where devs said that players fault ? You kind of sounds like one of this players who never played the game but go no problem to s...t on it.

You sound like someone who doesn't have a clue what was going on with PTR because you weren't participating unless maybe as a "ooo I get early access" participant that would loudly complain then never log back in the moment they hit the first game breaking bug.

Can't link what Blizzard has long since deleted under the guise of "forum improvements". All those blue posts get wiped right alongside all the player feedback they ignored.

As for not even playing the game, I played WoW 2007-2018. I beta tested in MoP and WoD along with doing testing on several patch PTRs. I wasn't one of the players who goes in with the "gee, I get to see things first!". I was testing stuff, trying to break stuff, repeating stuff that did break on multiple characters so I could get an idea of what conditions were in common before I submitted detailed bug reports, trying to find work arounds for the game breaking stuff so other testers wouldn't be stuck trying to get to content gated behind what was broken.

Spending hundred of hours doing all that just to see many of those problems still in game at launch and the Blue posts going "there wasn't any feedback" was frustrating in the extreme.

If I'm crapping on the developers, it's because they were crapping on us testers who were trying to help create a good release experience for our fellow players.

[Daralii]

I would say that a public test should only be for job changes and thats it. Nothing else in the data to datamine etc

The state of tanks and healers for a long time is why

The devs have 4+ years of feedback on the state of tanks and healers and things have only gotten progressively worse.

[Scott]

I like how it is now. I think the Game is extremly bugfree even without Beta Servers. And so its a suprise for everyone on Patch day

[IdowhatIwant]

So the complaint everyone is making is if there is a PTR then I will be spoiled.

But, you don't have to look up anything on the PTR, play the PTR, or look up any leaks. If you do so then you have chosen to spoil the content for yourself.

Again the PTR is a tool more for the devs than the players anyways. If they devs need it and can utilize it good, if they don't then they likely won't implement one.

All the MMO I play with public test.
Always end up catering to those who cry the loudest.
It usually not the best outcome, just the most popular one. It broke balance between jobs/class, shift dev time to certain content
Eventually those who cry loudest take over the game

MMOs cater to the loudest, as they then to be the larger group. This game has more casual content and heavily caters to casual players as they are the loudest and largest group. Which is why harder content and class design has suffered a bit over the past two expansions in this game. But the point is none of that had to do with a PTR.

[Reimmi]

AS a former wow player, definitely good for the game
Makes it so patch isnt solved before it even comes out, lets raids be exciting on launch, and it instills confidence in the devs that the game despite not having a ptr is forever less buggy than wow ever was, with one.
Just my 2 cents

[Scott]

So the complaint everyone is making is if there is a PTR then I will be spoiled.

But, you don't have to look up anything on the PTR, play the PTR, or look up any leaks. If you do so then you have chosen to spoil the content for yourself.

Again the PTR is a tool more for the devs than the players anyways. If they devs need it and can utilize it good, if they don't then they likely won't implement one.



MMOs cater to the loudest, as they then to be the larger group. This game has more casual content and heavily caters to casual players as they are the loudest and largest group. Which is why harder content and class design has suffered a bit over the past two expansions in this game. But the point is none of that had to do with a PTR.

Well thats definitly not true. Its mostly a loud minority. Most Casuals don`t even post at all and just silently enjoy their game. The are definitly not the loud crowd.