The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Tlamila]

Do we have a full understanding of how the DF algorithm prioritises which queue to place people in?

For all we can see, it might just look at the person who has been waiting in a direct queue for the longest time, and assemble a party to suit the duty they are queuing for, regardless of whether those people might be more suitable to help the second person waiting for a party.

If so then it might sweep a number of NieR-eligible people into Syrcus Tower then shrug helplessly as the next party it needs to compile is for Paradigm's Breach.

All I know is that the group of people queueing for the roulette is out where the whole group can go, rather than going by priority of who queued first for that alliance raid directly.

In the time wheer Ivalice raids never popped, I've been in queue for them for multiple hours at a time multiple times (before giving up). What happened is, it assembles the alliance for it, it pops, but someone withdraws (people being afk while in queue as usual). The person who withdraws gets replaced, and suddenly those 23 persons aren't in your queue anymore, you're back to being alone in there. The only explaination for this is that the next person in queue didn't have those unlocked so they all got displaced somewhere lower that all had unlocked. And so on. Which seems pretty stupid, but that's how it is.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Que for Alliance Raids during odd hours like at 12 - 8 AM and all the people naked queing to get Crystal Tower will already have gotten their daily done and logged off.

[Quintessa]

Que for Alliance Raids during odd hours like at 12 - 8 AM and all the people naked queing to get Crystal Tower will already have gotten their daily done and logged off.

I'm gonna go forgo sleep and play the game at 2 in the morning and be worth not a darn thing when I go to work at 6. I'll fall asleep on the train and at the end stop angry conductors will throw me off.

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No it's a good idea lol, if you can do that.

[Floortank]

I've been getting lots of Ivalice and Mhach raids lately, and some Yorha. Lots of people clearing for story on Crystal.

Problem is by no means solved. They need to give each expac its own Alliance Roulette.

[Doozer]

People will undoubtedly get mad at me for even suggesting it so I'll just say it and go, but if you're frustrated with people lowering their ilevel to guarantee CT raids and you catch them doing it, you can report them for it. They're exploiting a flaw in the game's system to gain an advantage (getting the duty they want in a system that's supposed to be random). GMs refer to it as griefing when replying to reports. I know this firsthand because I've done it countless times.

They're easy to spot if they're stupid about it, and like someone else said you can see them suddenly have more health (though it appears like they took damage because they now have less than max HP), and sometimes they're naked before they re-equip. Make a note of who it was or take a screenshot so you don't forget their name, and then report them after the duty is done. Some are dumb enough to even admit to it when called out. 9 times out of 10 when I get a CT raid I see someone re-equip gear, and I always report them. I'm so sick of getting those raids because I've been here long enough to know why it keeps happening.

Someone quite a few pages ago said you could also do it for trial roulette but there's no point because they're so quick -- I'm here to tell you that I saw a player do that just today. A mentor, even. That report was swift. They're supposed to set an example.

[BigHoffie]

They're easy to spot if they're stupid about it, and like someone else said you can see them suddenly have more health (though it appears like they took damage because they now have less than max HP), and sometimes they're naked before they re-equip. Make a note of who it was or take a screenshot so you don't forget their name, and then report them after the duty is done. Some are dumb enough to even admit to it when called out. 9 times out of 10 when I get a CT raid I see someone re-equip gear, and I always report them. I'm so sick of getting those raids because I've been here long enough to know why it keeps happening.

Someone quite a few pages ago said you could also do it for trial roulette but there's no point because they're so quick -- I'm here to tell you that I saw a player do that just today. A mentor, even. That report was swift. They're supposed to set an example.

So If i'm missing health when I zone into a raid I'm gaming the system? Not... working on a crafter or gatherer while waiting in the queue? Not working on a lower level alt? You can unequip your gear, queue, and then put it back on before zoning in so this whole "HeS MiSSinG HeaLTh RePoRT" is clownish behavior and I hope it results in you eating a ban for false reports.

[Absurdity]

So If i'm missing health when I zone into a raid I'm gaming the system? Not... working on a crafter or gatherer while waiting in the queue? Not working on a lower level alt? You can unequip your gear, queue, and then put it back on before zoning in so this whole "HeS MiSSinG HeaLTh RePoRT" is clownish behavior and I hope it results in you eating a ban for false reports.

Regardless of Doozer's suggestion to report people for it... no, no you're not missing health because you were on a crafter. Why? Because your health gets automatically set to max when you zone into the dungeon, the only reason for you to suddenly miss health before the barrier even opens is because you switched gear pieces.

[Doozer]

So If i'm missing health when I zone into a raid I'm gaming the system? Not... working on a crafter or gatherer while waiting in the queue? Not working on a lower level alt? You can unequip your gear, queue, and then put it back on before zoning in so this whole "HeS MiSSinG HeaLTh RePoRT" is clownish behavior and I hope it results in you eating a ban for false reports.

Thought I'd pop in to see the aftermath, so I'm surprised this thread just stopped after I said that. I'm impressed.

Anyway, when you arrive in a duty you're at full health, like Absurdity said. Things used to be different, where if you changed jobs and entered a duty your skills would be on cooldown, so the same might've applied to health too I honestly can't remember, but it doesn't work that way now.

To make you even more angry, I've reported dozens of people for doing that. Though I do clarify in my reports that they're suspected of doing it. I give them all the info I have and explain every time how the ilevel exploit works in the event that it's received by a GM that isn't familiar with it somehow. Given that some had even admitted to doing it, those did not included "suspected". Like this one:


And no, I haven't received even a single warning for my reports, or ever at all for that matter. Like I said, GMs refer to it as griefing when they respond to the reports, even though I never call it that when I send them. Maybe they do nothing about it, but I haven't been reprimanded or disciplined for sending what you call "false reports", so I suppose they're legit after all.

If people holding others responsible for breaking the rules angers you, that has nothing to do with me. Use the roulette as intended and allow it to actually be random, and people won't feel inclined to report you for it.

[Azuri]

I doubt your reports have ever led to any action. There simply isn't a rule to be broken. As we have seen, they had to explicitly adjust ToS to get rid of selling clears on PF. And there really couldn't be a rule for it. "Have gear equipped or get banned" is an asinine demand. Maybe the only set I have for this job is Augmented Ironworks, you know.

[baklava151]

The roulette is casual play. It's explicitly meant to give those healers who actively refuse to DPS something to do. If you want to play hardcore, then use the party finder to form pre-mades. No one is ruining your experience. In contrast, you're proposing that SE ruin their experience by penalizing them for not wanting to "put in any effort." This isn't a job. It's a game. If you want to be compensated for your efforts, then work harder at your RL job. Quit looking to a game for meaningful rewards. The point of a game, for most players, is to effortlessly unwind at the end of a day that's been nothing but effort.

Please stop defending an exploit, especially with "You don't pay my sub"-tier arguments