Thread: Mobs chasing you on 2.0

Originally Posted by DarthTaru

Just sit in town and craft. I think doing that for the next few years will deliver the experience you're looking for. No danger. No aggro. No need to be alert or pay attention to your surroundings. Or just stick to areas right outside the city gate where you'll be in no danger. Being a LVL 50 among LVL 4 marmot squirrels will give you the experience you're looking for.

Way to miss my point. He says it somehow creates "community" because of the need for random raises, I'm saying more dead people on the fields don't really do that. I've had WHM's trample over my corpse in FFXI enough times to know that the "community" claim is not as solid as some wish it was.

You seem to ignore my other points, so I guess I should not be surprised, though.

Originally Posted by Duelle

Way to miss my point. He says it somehow creates "community" because of the need for random raises, I'm saying more dead people on the fields don't really do that. I've had WHM's trample over my corpse in FFXI enough times to know that the "community" claim is not as solid as some wish it was.

You seem to ignore my other points, so I guess I should not be surprised, though.

I'll address your point directly then. Much like in real life, danger and hardships bring people together faster and easier than times of peace and prosperity. This is a fact. I can count for you on one hand how many times I have raised someone I didnt know that had died in the field in this game. Mostly because of the territory mechanic mixed with how easy it is to travel because of the teleport system, our reliance on the kindness of others for raises, teleports, and healing is much lower in XIV than it is in other MMO's. And while certainly there are plenty that were in XI as well as every other MMO (including this one) that would indeed walk over my body instead of raising me, or ignore my call for help, taking the good with the bad is part of the experience that comes from living in any community. I would still take that over the stale and lifeless enviroment we have now.

I am not asking to run the gauntlet each and every time I step out of the gates of the city, but there does need to be something added to this game that creates a sense of danger lurking around the corner. (I am pretty sure they took a poll on this very issue, and that the majority of players said the same thing) It is that sense of not knowing and danger that may make me want to team up when I wouldnt have normally, or help someone stuck in a position I was once in myself. Instead, I can run 30 feet away from some undead mobs that wanted my brains for lunch one minute, and the next lost me entirely because i took a few steps back.

Edit: I also don't see the mechanic I described ealier as forcing anything, people could (and would) still choose to help others or not like you said. The system would just increase the amount of times you would be faced with making that desicion.

Originally Posted by Biggs

I can count for you on one hand how many times I have raised someone I didnt know that had died in the field in this game. Mostly because of the territory mechanic mixed with how easy it is to travel because of the teleport system, our reliance on the kindness of others for raises, teleports, and healing is much lower in XIV than it is in other MMO's.

And again, even when danger is clear and present, I've had more than my fair share of jobs and classes that can obviously raise trample over my corpse. One doesn't have much to do with the other.

I would still take that over the stale and lifeless enviroment we have now.

After playing MMOs for over a decade, I still don't understand why these words are used over and over. I'll leave it at that.

I am not asking to run the gauntlet each and every time I step out of the gates of the city, but there does need to be something added to this game that creates a sense of danger lurking around the corner.

This I can agree with, but as always, there are parameters to play within and lines that should not be crossed. If we were talking about a set of zones designed to be dangerous (believe it or not, I can see places like Mor Dhona being like this after some revamps in monster placement and a couple of other changes), I'm willing to toss around ideas.

What the OP was going for is mob trains to the zone line, which is something I am staunchly against. Mobs having a territory and being leashed to that past a certain distance makes sense. Though if you really want chasing about, I'd add the exact same mechanic mobs in pre-WotLK WoW had: DoTs and damage received override the leash script in the mob's AI, thus allowing the mob to go beyond its pre-assigned territory under certain conditions (this is how some bored players kited the likes of Gamon and other mobs to the wierdest of places).

Taking a step back to what I mentioned earlier about my buddy and his wife, I also do not want something like the TAU zones that repeatedly punish players between mob placement and mob design.

Originally Posted by Duelle

And again, even when danger is clear and present, I've had more than my fair share of jobs and classes that can obviously raise trample over my corpse. One doesn't have much to do with the other.
After playing MMOs for over a decade, I still don't understand why these words are used over and over. I'll leave it at that.
This I can agree with, but as always, there are parameters to play within and lines that should not be crossed. If we were talking about a set of zones designed to be dangerous (believe it or not, I can see places like Mor Dhona being like this after some revamps in monster placement and a couple of other changes), I'm willing to toss around ideas.

What the OP was going for is mob trains to the zone line, which is something I am staunchly against. Mobs having a territory and being leashed to that past a certain distance makes sense. Though if you really want chasing about, I'd add the exact same mechanic mobs in pre-WotLK WoW had: DoTs and damage received override the leash script in the mob's AI, thus allowing the mob to go beyond its pre-assigned territory under certain conditions (this is how some bored players kited the likes of Gamon and other mobs to the wierdest of places).

Taking a step back to what I mentioned earlier about my buddy and his wife, I also do not want something like the TAU zones that repeatedly punish players between mob placement and mob design.

People use those words because, often times, they are the best ones to describe the situation.


I fail to see how a system based on the mechanics of real life wouldn't work here. Most of the time, if an animal is chasing you it is due to a flight response or doing so in order to chase you out of its territory or away from its offspring. After a certain point is reached, it gives up and goes back home if it hasn't caught you (with exceptions of course).

Intelligent races don't have the same limitations. A band of thieves or brigands will chase you until they catch you, you fight them, or you get away. I feel the exact same about the undead, but with even less wiggle room. As popularised by centuries of fiction on the subject, the undead should never tire of chasing you because they never tire period. I thought the daylight mechanic in XI was a good balance to this sort of system.

As to your inablitly to see eye to eye with me on how a more dangerous world can create a tighter sense of community, you have proven my point with your comment. Even when someone is walking over your dead corpse and can raise you, but chooses not too, thats still very much a level of interaction. When people did that to me in Xi I had a tendancy to remember who they were. This in turn could change my outlook on a situation said person could then find themself in which would benefit from my help. Snubbing people is still interaction even if its not the kind your looking for. And quiet frankly, I would prefer that sort of system over the one we have now. I'm not looking for the areas outside the cities to be brutal, but there does need to be some sense of chaos and random events that take place to ensure that I don't have 100% control over what happens to my character each and every time I go outside. Thats just plain boring as hell, which (I am told anyway) was a major complaint about this game at launch.