Thread: Mobs chasing you on 2.0

Originally Posted by Elexia

It is sarcasm, as idiotic and anti-social as MMO gamers have become in recent generations, no one is that idiotic they'd want no danger in a game.....

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Ok, people can be that idiotic but I'm pretty sure he was just sarcastic xD

I've seen people make serious arguments that full-scale raid bosses should be soloable because forcing them to group up to kill them is unfair.

After that, I'd believe there are people who are serious about pretty much anything.

What about bringing back "Sneak" and "Invisible", and "Casting magic aggro"? Would that be too annoying?

Originally Posted by Duelle

Yes. As would be the true sight, true sound stuff. Not everyone reacts the same way to those kinds of mobs. A friend of mine even refused to set foot in TAU areas solely because of the imps. I don't really want to see that sort of thing repeat itself as I doubt my buddy was alone on that one.

"Danger" should come from actually fighting the mob, not stupid things like trains. You can still be aware of your surroundings without having to make everything possibly aggro you, too.

No, danger should come from `adventuring` which includes the danger of being detected, whether you want to fight it or not.

Originally Posted by Duelle

"Danger" should come from actually fighting the mob, not stupid things like trains. You can still be aware of your surroundings without having to make everything possibly aggro you, too.

Is this why people tell you "When you go into the mountains don't walk up a mountain lion and try to fight it"...or do they say "watch out for mountain lions"? I mean, the sense of danger should come from:

THE GOD DAMN OGRE THAT WILL RIP YOUR THROAT OUT FROM YOUR ASSHOLE JUST BY LOOKING AT IT WRONG.

That is a sense of danger, "will I live or will I die trying to run through this gauntlet of enemies?" that is a sense of danger, not:

"Well they don't aggro so I can go about my way as long as I don't engage it *skips merrily along.*"...I don't know what happened to gaming and at what point did danger only comes from the encounter and not just walking into the wrong neighborhood in a sense. If I go into a Dragons Aery (ufufu) and there's a bunch of dragons doing their thing..do you really think they'll sit there and let you walk around looting? Exploring? Watching?

If you say yes, then I have no hope for the MMOs of 2012+.

Originally Posted by Duelle

You gave up on MMOs when they stopped copying EQ's model and followed trends every other genre of gaming followed.

I didn't give up on MMOs, I gave up on expecting something done with any care, world design in new MMOs is just beyond bland and generic now because the only thing they're focused on is giving people instanced content.

What some want instead is the stupid mob trains to the zone line, which aren't fun and are beyond asinine in terms of intervening with the gameplay of other people.

I'm sorry but saying danger shouldn't come from aggressive mobs and only when fighting them is basically saying you want to be able to freely do what you want without any consequence, which is everything wrong with new MMORPGs and the developers who bend to the will of said people. It creates boring MMOs, this is why people are always looking for the next best thing, a boring world with boring atmosphere will drive any gamer to another game.

PS: If you want to sense danger, go mountain climbing. Could take a safari to Africa and be in the wilderness, where the lions will do more than just stare at you through the window of your jeep. Even better, go play an FPS in multiplayer mode, or maybe fire up the old SNES and play some Shadowrun. Plenty of "danger" there.

MMOs aren't for you, or you're pretty much admitting you've never played MMOs before they started going the route of "Go to lobby, go to dungeon" as their form of gameplay.

PPS: There's also Skyrim if you like random encounters.

Good for Skyrim.

PPPS: Botter's Aery is not what we would call "taking a wrong turn", by the way.

P.S: learn what an aery is, or if you want to be politically correct, Aerie. It's called a Nest, so stumbling into a Dragon's NEST should have non-stop danger for the adventure, but given how you hate a challenge in an MMORPG, you'd probably expect them to cuddle up to you and serve you breakfast in bed.

Originally Posted by Duelle

You gave up on MMOs when they stopped copying EQ's model and followed trends every other genre of gaming followed.

I'm fine with there being aggro mobs...provided there's options to handling such a situation outside of guaranteed death. If I'm killing wolves and I aggro an extra wolf, I should have something in my array of abilities to either extend my ability to survive to win, give me a chance fo run away or buy me enough time to kill my target and then run. By the same token, if I pull half an instance's worth of mobs, I should die faster than a hero can get blown up by 40 Hellions.

What some want instead is the stupid mob trains to the zone line, which aren't fun and are beyond asinine in terms of intervening with the gameplay of other people.

PS: If you want to sense danger, go mountain climbing. Could take a safari to Africa and be in the wilderness, where the lions will do more than just stare at you through the window of your jeep. Even better, go play an FPS in multiplayer mode, or maybe fire up the old SNES and play some Shadowrun. Plenty of "danger" there.
PPS: There's also Skyrim if you like random encounters.
PPPS: Botter's Aery is not what we would call "taking a wrong turn", by the way.

Iirc SE had fixed MPK'ing so mob trains rarely harmed you.

I wasn't too much of a fan of mobs chasing you throughout the zone either but I'm not so much of a fan of the leashing method. I kinda want a happy medium where some monsters will loose interest in you(say a mob defending territory or young) while some will track you(more then likely more intelligent monsters like beastmen and maybe some stronger mobs)

I do miss spells like invisible, sneak and deodorize, and would jump for joy if we could use them again. Was always fun exploring a zone with mobs being extremely stronger then you, and your literally tip-toeing around watching your step and praying sneak or invis didn't wear...was pretty exciting lol...

Originally Posted by Majidah

2.0 will bring divided areas. As far as I know the way mobs were done, that they lose aggro after a while, was done because of the current seamless maps.

How would you like for mob chase to work on 2.0?

I liked things like having to cross water to lose hate on XI.

Since you mentioned XI you should know they didn't make mobs tethered due to the seamless nature, they did it because people were pissed about mobs chasing them across the whole map (rofl Irony) then when they tried to fix it, mobs would be tethered and regain all of their health the second they get back to their tether point.

I hope mobs not only regain their life that SE had to take away from people complaining (baaaaaaaaaaw the goat keeps getting into my AoE!) I hope they also gain different tracking styles, for example ants have feelers for a reason, so even if you're walking they still should be able to detect you and give chase endlessly unless you go to higher ground or as example, across water.