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  1. #61
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    I’ve said it many times, I think the devs should remove fey union from the fey gauge and just make it a gcd channeled heal. The heal is not very strong anyway tbh.

    If you want your faerie to heal everyone then embrace is for that but if you want your faerie to focus on just one person. Then fey union can be for that. Remove it from the fey gauge. I’m very shocked it’s still attached to it. Just my humble opinion.

    If they wanna keep it the way it is now then add a 10% damage down effect on it. Make it worth while at least.

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    Last edited by SweetPete; 01-16-2022 at 02:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    I’ve said it many times, I think the devs should remove fey union from the fey gauge and just make it a gcd channeled heal. The heal is not very strong anyway tbh.

    If you want your faerie to heal everyone then embrace is for that but if you want your faerie to focus on just one person. Then fey union can be for that. Remove it from the fey gauge. I’m very shocked it’s still attached to it. Just my humble opinion.

    If they wanna keep it the way it is now then add a 10% damage down effect on it. Make it worth while at least.

    If you know how to use it, it is worthwhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya View Post
    ..though that is a glaring one.
    Well done, love it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya View Post
    It feels unnecessary because it's 1 button press extra to something other classes do with 1 button.
    This, quite frankly, I don't much care about at all. I simply care about what is fun and engaging and I'd argue, a lot of the playerbase is as well. If it's fun, players will play it. See old WHM. Sure, more effort should be rewarded but I really don't see it needing to be the main focus especially with designing SCH.

    Resource management with ED is fun and engaging for me. Dumping stacks on overheals like on SGE is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya View Post
    IThe biggest issue is that we have between 2-6 buttons per healer dedicated to GCD healing and aproximately 3-4 buffs that buff those GCD heals, but in this game nobody uses GCD heals except White Mage (and newbies) because doing so is killing your DPS for that GCD cast. Why has no one at the design team considered to instead giving us OP OGCD heals to instead make us care more about GCD heals?
    This is precisely my point. Healing isn't required in this game and this is why we're even talking about ED, when I believe it should be exactly what you just mentioned. Let's talk about why the devs insist on making most of our healing kit superfluous, the real issue, not ED which is the only thing that gives SCH any amount flavor and differentiation from other healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anhaato View Post
    The biggest issue is that square just can't reconcile that some people won't play some jobs optimally. Instead of accepting that people will do that and complain about jobs being hard, they lower the skill ceiling on them. Sure it might make the more casual players happy, but even then for a job like this it's very rarely going to make someone who hated the job start loving it and want to main it. Meanwhile those who enjoyed it before feel alienated.

  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    If you know how to use it, it is worthwhile.
    What? Lol sorry I don’t mean to laugh. It’s just a more “powerful” channeled heal. Toss it on a party member and that’s it. There is nothing special about it to be honest. I’ve used it on the tank during wall to wall pulls and I still need to toss a heal or 2 on the tank during it sometimes, especially if the tank blows all their cds carelessly.

    There just isn’t enough oof you know. Adding something more to it will just be better. That’s all.
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    Fey Union is the highest potency single target HoT in the game. It needs more potency? Perhaps another effect, but potency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    What? Lol sorry I don’t mean to laugh. It’s just a more “powerful” channeled heal. Toss it on a party member and that’s it. There is nothing special about it to be honest. I’ve used it on the tank during wall to wall pulls and I still need to toss a heal or 2 on the tank during it sometimes, especially if the tank blows all their cds carelessly.

    There just isn’t enough oof you know. Adding something more to it will just be better. That’s all.
    Fairy responsiveness has made this ability so much more useful. Why would you want to put that on the GCD?! I'm interested in your thought process behind that. Most healers will avoid using GCDs to heal considering the damage output doesn't justify it.

    Putting that aside, you have enough defensive abilities as a SCH to sustain a tank alongside Union without needing to cast heals. Unless it was an undergeared tank who doesn't use CDs, but that's a niche scenario. I also disagree with giving it more effects partly because of the reason stated by Semirhage, but also because the healing kits really don't need to be buffed further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OtakuSempai View Post
    This is precisely my point. Healing isn't required in this game and this is why we're even talking about ED, when I believe it should be exactly what you just mentioned. Let's talk about why the devs insist on making most of our healing kit superfluous, the real issue, not ED which is the only thing that gives SCH any amount flavor and differentiation from other healers.
    I'm considering making a Thread dedicated to GCD healing being a outdated system that hasn't been expanded upon and it boggles my mind why. oGCD relying gameplay is technically more skillful since you need to manage cooldowns but a unskilled player will have trouble with that so they fall back to GCD healing which makes their DPS suffer. We need to overhaul GCD healing to be a return on investment and reward us for actually doing our job instead of punishing us. Either that or cut the bloat and i'd rather the core healing principle of each job actually interacted with the rest of the kit rather than contribute more to GCD Nuking + oGCD healing.
    Scholar would be able to get away with AF being purely a DPS resource if fey gauge and GCD heals meant something in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Fairy responsiveness has made this ability so much more useful. Why would you want to put that on the GCD?! I'm interested in your thought process behind that. Most healers will avoid using GCDs to heal considering the damage output doesn't justify it.

    Putting that aside, you have enough defensive abilities as a SCH to sustain a tank alongside Union without needing to cast heals. Unless it was an undergeared tank who doesn't use CDs, but that's a niche scenario. I also disagree with giving it more effects partly because of the reason stated by Semirhage, but also because the healing kits really don't need to be buffed further.
    I mean everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I’m not saying yours is wrong or mines is right. I just don’t think fey union is worth the fey gauge for what it does. All it is a channeled regen which most scholars have been begging for anyway. You use to be able make embrace just heal the tank if you wanted and now that’s gone. Fey union is good as in your can make it just target a single party member. The fey gauge is just tacked on at this point. Fey union should just be a gcd heal that you can set and forget and continue to dps your little heart away. Being tied to the fey gauge that needs 10 gauge to use is useless for what it does. If they added something else on top of it then yeah it would make it worth it. For what it is now it’s just not worth it.

    That’s my opinion. That’s all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcedelic View Post
    Please remove energy drain, or make it only restore mp. As someone coming from sage, and wanting to learn scholar: Energy drain feels really out of place/clunky.
    Please remove energy drain???? It's literally your reward for playing well, getting to dump stacks that you don't need for healing into more damage for your team. You're suggesting they remove one of the main components of genuine choice in SCH's kit lol. I could understand calling it clunky in ShB but SCH has the 1.5s cast time on Broil now, you can just weave it in literally anywhere.
    I'm confused how you can just suggest the entire removal of a part of SCH's kit and then call it "Genuine Feedback".
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    Last edited by Hydrobyte; 01-17-2022 at 11:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrobyte View Post
    Please remove energy drain???? It's literally your reward for playing well, getting to dump stacks that you don't need for healing into more damage for your team. You're suggesting they remove one of the main components of genuine choice in SCH's kit lol. I could understand calling it clunky in ShB but SCH has the 1.5s cast time on Broil now, you can just weave it in literally anywhere.
    I'm confused how you can just suggest the entire removal of a part of SCH's kit and then call it "Genuine Feedback".
    Energy Drain isn't a DPS reward, its a DPS necessity to not be the weakest Healer from a DPS standpoint. You could remove ED and make Ruin 2 consume AF while dealing Broil potency Damage, now Scholar can move without sacrificing DPS (and make full use of expedient) or slidecasting, you have a AF dump and Broil's potency can be adjusted to deal higher damage based on the amount of DPS ED gave on average. I'd prefer an overhaul from the ground up but beggars cant be choosers ig.
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