Power Fantasy [[Spoilers]]

[ApolloGenX]

I forgot to quote the person I was replying to in regards to soul crystals, my b.

In my opinion, I'd say the Warrior of Light's mastery over 19 different jobs plays more than an important part in being viewed as a demi-god. How many characters do you know of that have mastery over even a fraction of that many jobs at once? By the time Shadowbringers takes place, the WoL is either inventing new techniques on the fly or resurrecting long forgotten skills that even masters on the source didn't know about. And it's all but stated that the WoL is inventing new techniques for Machinist, what with it being a brand new soul crystal with no memories imbued in it yet.

And that's not even getting into the whole "reincarnation of Azem" thing, considering they were trained by Venat who is also shown to be capable of fighting as a Paladin, Dancer and White Mage as opposed to Hades being a Dark Knight and Black Mage while Hythlodaeus is solely a Bard.

I take issue with this- I disagree that Hades is simply a Dark Knight and Black Mage.... he is an eternal mystery never to be fully understood. <3

[Jandor]

I forgot to quote the person I was replying to in regards to soul crystals, my b.

In my opinion, I'd say the Warrior of Light's mastery over 19 different jobs plays more than an important part in being viewed as a demi-god. How many characters do you know of that have mastery over even a fraction of that many jobs at once? By the time Shadowbringers takes place, the WoL is either inventing new techniques on the fly or resurrecting long forgotten skills that even masters on the source didn't know about. And it's all but stated that the WoL is inventing new techniques for Machinist, what with it being a brand new soul crystal with no memories imbued in it yet.

And that's not even getting into the whole "reincarnation of Azem" thing, considering they were trained by Venat who is also shown to be capable of fighting as a Paladin, Dancer and White Mage as opposed to Hades being a Dark Knight and Black Mage while Hythlodaeus is solely a Bard.

To be fair, when it comes to jobs, we are worse than the average person in one way. While we're very good at using a job stone, we seem pretty crap at permanently absorbing the information.
I lose my job stone and I can't even hold my gunblade anymore, meanwhile Thancred is over there combining it with techniques from his previous class, making some sort of custom Roguebreaker job.

I can't even use that Azem invocation, a spell that I supposedly invented, without taking that stone out of my pocket and staring at it for a bit.

[BaconBits]

I take issue with this- I disagree that Hades is simply a Dark Knight and Black Mage.... he is an eternal mystery never to be fully understood. <3

"The arcane is mine to command!"

Pulls out the 357 magnum

[Havenchild]

People really out here like they A) aren't following the story or B) not experienced with JRPGs.

It's hard to believe people come up with so uninformed opinions so...consistently.

Yes, but that usually marks the end of the story. Problem is, this is an MMO with no endpoint.

We've killed all the Primals, the beast men version of gods

We've killed Z & H, the Ascians version of gods

And it's pretty much a given that the EW Alliance Raids will have us thrash The Twelve™, man's version of gods.

Where do you go?

Literally, you don't have the blessing of light anymore now that Hydaelyn is gone. Meaning while you may be at the very least be above average, you aren't necessarily a God.

If you ask me, the creation of those warding amulets is a narrating ploy to potentially cover the fact that the WoL is not auto protected from primal summonings anymore. You can put regular big bads again and narratively, it still makes sense. You can narratively power scale a character back which they have already done. They even reduced you contextually to the "traveler" or "adventurer". You aren't really considered the WoL either.

[Nothv13]

People really out here like they A) aren't following the story or B) not experienced with JRPGs.

It's hard to believe people come up with so uninformed opinions so...consistently.



Literally, you don't have the blessing of light anymore now that Hydaelyn is gone. Meaning while you may be at the very least be above average, you aren't necessarily a God.

If you ask me, the creation of those warding amulets is a narrating ploy to potentially cover the fact that the WoL is not auto protected from primal summonings anymore. You can put regular big bads again and narratively, it still makes sense. You can narratively power scale a character back which they have already done. They even reduced you contextually to the "traveler" or "adventurer". You aren't really considered the WoL either.

1. HW dealt with not having Hydaelyn's protection in the blessing of light. We've always been a well above average human and after SHB we are the most rejoined human among the population pushing us that much higher.
2. We are still protected from tempering as it is the echo that protects us not the blessing of light. The amulets simply allows trusts to be able to encounter primals in dungeons such as the magus sisters and anima.
3. There has been no scaling back of power so far. The new raids literally still battling ancients and creatures that can bind and corrupt the ancients.

[Conundrum]

People really out here like they A) aren't following the story or B) not experienced with JRPGs.

It's hard to believe people come up with so uninformed opinions so...consistently.



Literally, you don't have the blessing of light anymore now that Hydaelyn is gone. Meaning while you may be at the very least be above average, you aren't necessarily a God.

If you ask me, the creation of those warding amulets is a narrating ploy to potentially cover the fact that the WoL is not auto protected from primal summonings anymore. You can put regular big bads again and narratively, it still makes sense. You can narratively power scale a character back which they have already done. They even reduced you contextually to the "traveler" or "adventurer". You aren't really considered the WoL either.

Ignoring the part of you sounding like a condescending ****.

No one cares how JRPGs work. If you nerf everyone's character in an MMO, many will quit. No one cares what JRPG fanboys think.

[Gameovers]

"The arcane is mine to command!"

Pulls out the 357 magnum

I see you .... opening!!!

[Kozh]

I don't think that's the case at all. Are you implying that the bad guy wasn't doing their best? I think that does a disservice to both their character and ours.

Oh, it was a disservice. Even the man himself ask "why would I be stupid enough to jeopardize my mission by inviting my enemy to my hideout". If emet truly not sentimental, he would have kill the WoL at Mt gulg, or at least never tell us about Amaurot. He kept giving us chances in the name of "trial" and "test". He can easily kill the scions before ardbert joined us yet he didn't.

And don't get me started at Azem crystal and elidibus. You might say "but emet help us during elidibus fight because it's mercy killing", you'll be right, but honestly it's dumb as fck. In order to make that narrative works, they made elidibus a half-ass person. This guy has led countless genocide over 12k years, they only need to rejoin one more world, and yet he refuse to remember because "remember things hurts me ("

So yeah, we only win because emet is too sentimental and elidibus being half-ass. Oh, and plus plot armor.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Do you not understand Character Progression?
We started small, and now we are this Big Badass. Thats.....how Progression Works lmao

Now, its just pure speculation where we go from here and what kind of threat we are going to face next. There is a Possibility that we will get another Midgarsomr moment where that Azem Crystal; just like the mothercrystal, gets rendered Inert and useless and we get cutoff from it and cant depend on it. And then we will have to seek out a new power or way to Combat the next threat, whatever that may be.
I think you and everyone else are jumping the shark, because we just simply dont know whats next. The Expansion only JUST began...and it starts with ending the Hydalyn & Zodiark Saga.
6.1 and beyond is going to be setting up the next adventure. And right now...we simply dont know what that is yet.
Everything is speculation, until it is revealed.

[ddwarbird]

Getting a lot of comments stating "Do you not understand X"

Can I remind people that this is somebodies opinion and just because you don't agree, and you are welcome to, does NOT mean its bad and needs to be chastised. I have never particularly enjoyed the whole "saviour" complex in any game, considering how many people wipe on bosses, its not accurate to actual game's design. There are so many things that could one-shot the WoL so why Square Enix chooses to flatter people's ego by making out with are the messiah and similar to this planet's version of Jesus just does not sit well with me.

I am all for constructive debate but... when you start getting into personal attacks and criticising mine and other people's intelligence for not questioning the great Square Enix... we run into a few problems.