The dev team did a fantastic job on the MNK rework. I love it.

[ssunny2008]

I guess there's always Lost Ark? Personally looking forward to Ashes of Creation.

Well AoC seems to be the new Star Citizen, a never ending story... while LA is gonna be another P2W / P2P blender. So yeah...

It’s pretty uncalled for to accuse someone of not playing the job before this new expansion just because they subjectively disagree with you on whether the changes are better or not.

I tried Monk for a while in Shadowbringers, and then again in Endwalker; I prefer Endwalker’s version a lot, and it feels a lot better to me to play on controller. Things flow together more smoothly, I have a better preferred hotbar now, and I appreciate there still being some positionals but not as many!

Have you checked my points?

You´ve actually made clear what´s better / worse for you in that one sentence. Less buttons, less positionals, you like it, that´s fine. OP on the other hand has claimed some things and everything he find "positive" is stuff we already had before. Elixier-field has been a thing before and got used way more often. Enlightenment has been a thing before, well even the rotation is the same but changes minimal within the burst-windows compared to the old PB use.

With that in mind, ofc i doubt he has played MNK so far before EW. Otherwise he seem to use PB for random skills instead of using it "correctly" since, if you use it correctly, you´ve no options and play the same as you´ve done in Shb just with way less positionals and burstskills instead of oGCD´s. To have some fun is one thing, but to claim stuff out of inexperience another... especially when the claim is "Rework is great!", and all you find great have been a thing before.

[J-Reyno]

Monk is okay, but it feels like a level 70 job at best. There should be more to it and they definitely put in the absolute minimal amount of effort in for a rework. I mean the new riddle of wind is an auto-attack buff. I look at the shiny new Reaper and can't understand why they couldn't have come up with something even a little more interesting and/or interactive.

Well I do understand why. It's obvious they fell in love with Reaper while designing it, and they have never had any real love for Monk. Still can't hold ten chakra. Anatman remains unchanged.

At the very least Monk finally got something new, and it's a decent base to build on in future expansions.

[Ransu]

My only complaint is perfect balance and the nadi's being tied to it making its mechanics seem overly long to build up with not much to do in between PB's. Otherwise I don't mind its new design.

It’s pretty uncalled for to accuse someone of not playing the job before this new expansion just because they subjectively disagree with you on whether the changes are better or not.

I tried Monk for a while in Shadowbringers, and then again in Endwalker; I prefer Endwalker’s version a lot, and it feels a lot better to me to play on controller. Things flow together more smoothly, I have a better preferred hotbar now, and I appreciate there still being some positionals but not as many!

Like I tell everyone else, Ssunny is a troll and its best to just ignore him/her since all ssuny does is to do everything possible to be negative about the game. Not even sure why he/she plays it.

[zcrash970]

My only complaint is perfect balance and the nadi's being tied to it making its mechanics seem overly long to build up with not much to do in between PB's. Otherwise I don't mind its new design.



Like I tell everyone else, Ssunny is a troll and its best to just ignore him/her since all ssuny does is to do everything possible to be negative about the game. Not even sure why he/she plays it.

ssunny isn't really being a troll. Everything she said was accurate.
Mnk's rework more or less took away more than it added but core mnk is still the same. Just because you don't like what she said doesn't invalidate it

[Braven_Doomdraft]

Rework is good. I played MNK exclusively in ARR-ShB. Found it to be underwhelming for that duration and I find positionals to be an exceedingly busy, non-challenging way to make gameplay more frenetic/interactive for the player. I tend to enjoy the faster moving classes with lots of woven skills - GNB, SAM to name a couple.

The lack of developer-centric consideration in these forums is a little off-putting though. Did you ever consider that, from a content perspective, Monks have always been kind of...meh in the Final Fantasy series? And as a trope in general? Blitz was a good tangent to go on with the class I think, given that the most canonically powerful monk in the entire franchise is Sabin. I would have liked to see more callbacks to that character, but it is what it is right now. I expect more updates and adjustments in the future, but I think the way they've stripped it down to a foundational place in what we can only assume is preparation for more structure is a good thing.

That said, Monks might be some of the biggest whiners in the game. Give the dev team time to finesse stuff. This isn't your job, it's a game. If you tie your sole experience in the game to one class/job, you're going to find it wanting.

[Mikey_R]

Rework is good. I played MNK exclusively in ARR-ShB. Found it to be underwhelming for that duration and I find positionals to be an exceedingly busy, non-challenging way to make gameplay more frenetic/interactive for the player. I tend to enjoy the faster moving classes with lots of woven skills - GNB, SAM to name a couple.

While you might find something busy/non-challenging, someone else might enjoy it and it could be the reason they enjoy the job. It has been said several times by not only me but others, not every job has to appeal to everyone. Monk had a unique position in being a fast paced, heavy positional job, which appealed to a specific audience. You even mentioned Samurai which is also busy, but in a different way.

That said, Monks might be some of the biggest whiners in the game. Give the dev team time to finesse stuff. This isn't your job, it's a game. If you tie your sole experience in the game to one class/job, you're going to find it wanting.

Monk got virtually nothing in SB except replacements to things that they lost, double RNG chakra gain and a useless trait. ShB was a bit better, but the majority of it was AoE QoL (Four Point Fury and Enlightenment) and now in EW, various things have been taken away and given back in a different way and they took away the one thing that made Monk unique, the heavy positionals. Dragoon even beats Monk on positional usage and has a similar action rate, despite being a slower job GCD wise. It has been 3 expansions of not alot, especially when you compare it to other jobs. Monk just feels left behind and it is frustrating.

[Noraiga]

Monk is okay, but it feels like a level 70 job at best. There should be more to it and they definitely put in the absolute minimal amount of effort in for a rework. I mean the new riddle of wind is an auto-attack buff. I look at the shiny new Reaper and can't understand why they couldn't have come up with something even a little more interesting and/or interactive.

This ^ , is what i want them to adjust not in future expansion but now. I get it, it's a lot of work, that's why i'm gonna stop complaining about it and switch main until they put some extra thought into MNK.
Too much unheard feedback have been done, i'm definitely not gonna put more thought into "how MNK can be more efficient/good (whatever)".

[Theox]

The fact that people playing on controller are saying they love new monk is hilarious to me and really speak volumes about how much easier and accessible the job has become.

Monk previously felt really busy and challenging to play for me at least, and that's why I fell in love with it in the first place. Now it feels like a really awkward attempt to create a dps class which doesnt exceed at anything specific. The feel for the job is meh at best and I just fall asleep playing it, after your burst windows there's nothing to do besides rotating between 123 456, with less positionals, making it so it's less punishing to miss them. And the blitz system is so shallow, worn out, boring and outright deranged design borrowed from other jobs it makes me vomit just looking at it. And it's sad because I mained monk since I first started playing and didn't wanna play anything else, I really loved the aesthetic of that job and it's gameplay, so it's really heartbreaking seeing it change so much to something I wouldn't wanna touch at all.

[IruruCece]

That said, Monks might be some of the biggest whiners in the game. Give the dev team time to finesse stuff. This isn't your job, it's a game. If you tie your sole experience in the game to one class/job, you're going to find it wanting.

Garbage take. They've had from 2.0 until 6.0. The job has been in the state of "a good start" that entire time, and the people who seem happiest with the job are either contrarians like yourself who are trying to pretend to be the adult in the room, or people who used to create forum threads about the job that started with "I don't play Monk, but-"

[VentVanitas]

Give the dev team time to finesse stuff.

They've had almost a decade worth of time.