What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Cilia]

On the one hand, I should probably just ignore all of it. But then if I never say anything in my defense or clarify my original posts being misinterpreted, then that slander hangs unchallenged in the air, which is also not really palatable.

Slander is spoken. In print it's libel. (Joking... it's just a Spider-Man 2 reference...)

Let me just say this, and I mean it in all honesty and with all respect: it's not worth it. These same folk been complaining since 6.0 and will complain until 6.55 and probably beyond. If you liked it, that just has to be enough; ignore the hate, because it's not going to stop.

It might not feel right but in the long run ignoring it and letting it slide is the wiser course. It's not worth the time, effort, or frustration... and I know from experience dealing with the same crowd.

[Absimiliard]

Slander is spoken. In print it's libel. (Joking... it's just a Spider-Man 2 reference...)

Let me just say this, and I mean it in all honesty and with all respect: it's not worth it. These same folk been complaining since 6.0 and will complain until 6.55 and probably beyond. If you liked it, that just has to be enough; ignore the hate, because it's not going to stop.

It might not feel right but in the long run ignoring it and letting it slide is the wiser course. It's not worth the time, effort, or frustration... and I know from experience dealing with the same crowd.

Dude, ya'll are in a thread that exists for people to criticize things they don't like about the story. How, exactly, does hate have anything to do with it? Being critical of a product indicates one cares about it, not that they hate it. People that have nothing but hate for the game would already be long gone. This pretending like there's some giant hate mob ravaging the forums thing isn't as convincing as ya'll think it is.

[Renathras]

Slander is spoken. In print it's libel. (Joking... it's just a Spider-Man 2 reference...)

Let me just say this, and I mean it in all honesty and with all respect: it's not worth it. These same folk been complaining since 6.0 and will complain until 6.55 and probably beyond. If you liked it, that just has to be enough; ignore the hate, because it's not going to stop.

It might not feel right but in the long run ignoring it and letting it slide is the wiser course. It's not worth the time, effort, or frustration... and I know from experience dealing with the same crowd.

Yeah, understand that. The reply to you kind of proves the point.

And fair enough, libel.

[Supersnow845]

Dude, ya'll are in a thread that exists for people to criticize things they don't like about the story. How, exactly, does hate have anything to do with it? Being critical of a product indicates one cares about it, not that they hate it. People that have nothing but hate for the game would already be long gone. This pretending like there's some giant hate mob ravaging the forums thing isn't as convincing as ya'll think it is.

Goes into a thread saying it’s purpose is to offer legit criticism

“Yo why y’all criticising in here y’all must be haters”

[Absimiliard]

*strokes beard* I would be very impressed if that were true given how difficult and demanding Seal training is. :P

Truly amongst the noblest of callings one can answer, and one of the most grueling besides. Of course, military service in general is about one of the highest callings you can answer.

One would certainly be remiss to speak ill of those who've truly served.

[Renathras]

“Yo why y’all criticising in here y’all must be haters”

Who said that, though?

EDIT:

there's still bad faith attempts to frame criticism of the story as 'hate'

Again: Who is saying that?

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it seems a lot of people are saying people are saying this...but no one's actually saying it. It's kind of a strawman at this point.

[Theodric]

I think a lot of people would be rather surprised by who, exactly, is sitting behind the screen when it comes to individuals who choose to play MMO's. Though for obvious reasons - and especially given how volatile elements of this community repeatedly prove to be - a lot of us opt to keep silent on details regarding our private lives.

It's also very easy to claim to be pretty much anything under the veil of anonymity so anything revealed is going to be taken with a hefty pinch of salt in the first place. So any given statement may or may not be true but more importantly often it isn't really relevant to what's being discussed.

All that aside, I think Lunaxia has the right of it - after multiple pages of back and forth there's still bad faith attempts to frame criticism of the story as 'hate' and so the thread itself risks being entangled in a lengthy back and forth that ultimately doesn't amount to anything in the end.

[Nebelheim]

Who said that, though?

EDIT:



Again: Who is saying that?

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it seems a lot of people are saying people are saying this...but no one's actually saying it. It's kind of a strawman at this point.

I wonder who has been saying those exact things the last few pages.

[aveyond-dreams]

Dude, ya'll are in a thread that exists for people to criticize things they don't like about the story. How, exactly, does hate have anything to do with it? Being critical of a product indicates one cares about it, not that they hate it. People that have nothing but hate for the game would already be long gone. This pretending like there's some giant hate mob ravaging the forums thing isn't as convincing as ya'll think it is.

It's always been bewildering to me how FFXIV players consistently misinterpret criticism as hate for the game. Unfortunately that has led things to where we are now, in which the discussions that need to be had for the game to improve are impossible to have.

[Lunaxia]

Yeah, fair enough. You're right in that I can't convince people beyond reason or understanding.

...I was talking about you. Under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to fly into an absolute rage and respond like that because you feel slighted against or attacked. You might feel hurt, or frustrated, or misunderstood by what people say, and that's normal, but the way in which you perceive what you hear and how very deeply and personally you take it is incredibly aggressive and concerning, to the point if I knew you in real life, I would feel quite wary. You take remarks on your posts and behaviour as attacks on you and can't differentiate between the two, and you also need to learn that while you may say one thing, that is not how it is coming across or appearing to someone else. Sometimes unconscious biases can seep through you're not aware of, and at times like that, perhaps reflect on what you hear rather than screaming at everyone else.

I'm also going to offer you some advice here, and I hope you will take this as advice and heed it, and not an attack: consider seeking professional help. If by any chance you are the good person you are purporting yourself to be, then I think a lot of it is being lost in personal issues you might not realise you're carrying. I really do mean this with the best of intentions, for you and those around you.

Let me just say this, and I mean it in all honesty and with all respect: it's not worth it. These same folk been complaining since 6.0 and will complain until 6.55 and probably beyond. If you liked it, that just has to be enough; ignore the hate, because it's not going to stop..

Are we still pretending this entire thread is just "hate" when the criticism is now being largely shared by the community across the board? Why would it be any different when if anything, most people actually agree the story has taken a stark downward slope since Endwalker?

This is what everybody here has been saying: mindlessly tarring everything said here with the same brush to lump it into one dismissive category is not reasoned discussion, and acting shocked when you get a rebuttal is silly on the face it.