What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Merrigan]

"The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial"

How I read this : "Please don't surprise me, I just want to have a predictable story".

Endwalker had its defaults. But, for the love of God, stop complaining when people actually try to do original things. I was relieved they didn't dare to put Zordiak in place of the final boss. It would have be so expected.

Edit : oh, and : the fact that this "mighty evil" isn't the final boss doesn't mean it's trash. We fight against Hydaelyn later, but she frequently states that she is weaker. This isn't a Shonen.

[Kaurhz]

"The mighty Zodiark, which has been build up as this mighty(evil) entity over several expansions, turns out to be nothing but filler trash for the first Endwalker trial"

How I read this : "Please don't surprise me, I just want to have a predictable story".

Endwalker had its defaults. But, for the love of God, stop complaining when people actually try to do original things. I was relieved they didn't dare to put Zordiak in place of the final boss. It would have be so expected.

Edit : oh, and : the fact that this "mighty evil" isn't the final boss doesn't mean it's trash. We fight against Hydaelyn later, but she frequently states that she is weaker. This isn't a Shonen.

Thing is.. People seem to forget that even though Zodiark was broken out of his prison, he was still a very much sundered primal.

[Ryaz]

Pretty obvious because of how squeaky clean she was in the end without even the slightest hint of moral ambiguity that she may not have been 1000% right.

I believe she stated in her final speech that what she did wasn't worthy of praise. More after everything she saw, she felt it was her only option to keep her people from completely destroying themselves. The way the story was presented, it worked out in the end, but she didn't do it because it was the right thing to do, she didn it because she felt it was the only recourse.

She took a gamble that paid off. But she wasn't a monster like some want to make her it to be. She had her reasons for doing it, much like Emet did his, but he gets praised for murdering billions to try to restore things to the way they were, while she gets treated as if she's a psychopath.

You can say the game is biased towards her, but no more than the forums are baised against her.

[Conundrum]

This is how you say people are reaching for anything to gripe about beyond the original intent of the thread.

You should post on the reddit FFXIV sub, that place is nothing but gushing praise.

[DBriggs304]

You should post on the reddit FFXIV sub, that place is nothing but gushing praise.

How odd...I thought these forums were nothing but gushing praise and people were being "silenced" left and right...

[Stachiko]

Endwalker had its defaults. But, for the love of God, stop complaining when people actually try to do original things. I was relieved they didn't dare to put Zordiak in place of the final boss. It would have be so expected.

Nothing in Endwalker is original. It's all been done in the past by other writers. How Endwalker approached/implemented it is akin to something you'd rather not have me say.

[Lauront]

How odd...I thought these forums were nothing but gushing praise and people were being "silenced" left and right...

Don't think anyone referred to the forum in that capacity... the only mention of silencing on the forum in the last few pages is this:

I've seen posts praising and not praising on Reddit as well., though you do see praising on those platforms for sure (and all the the streamers I've followed seem to like it so far, but I've only watched a couple or so). And this forum isn't much better about pushing posts away that like the game. As I said, there was one post thanking the devs for a great game, it barely made two pages and was pushed far down the list by a lack of replies. Just because there isn't a downvote button doesn't mean opposing viewpoints don't get silenced here. Saying this place is more welcoming that Twitter or reddit is simply untrue.

In turn, responding to:

I haven’t seen too many people being condescending to people who like the story in my experience and i frequent posts like these fairly often. I think i’ve seen far more of a problem of people trying to write off others’ criticism purely because it’s a forum post or that their opinion is in the minority so it doesn’t matter. Tbf reddit and twitter are essentially the opposite of what you’re equating the forums to. It’s 85% pandering and game worshipping, 10% actual discussion, 5% troll posts. Criticism isn’t really common on those platforms as you’re basically immediately shit down, mass downvoted, or reported as a troll(which i’ve actually had happen and have had posts taken down because people couldn’t handle my criticism). The forums are a much more welcoming place in that regard and is a much more sage space to give opinions on the game than the other two.

So no, not quite.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Nothing in Endwalker is original. It's all been done in the past by other writers. How Endwalker approached/implemented it is akin to something you'd rather not have me say.

Pretty much a good chunk of stories are like this. Does it make it bad? No, it all depends on how well it presents these ideas and honestly I think Endwalker's story hits it home with what they were going for. It has its issues sure but guess what, so did every other expansion. Yes especially everybody's beloved Heavensward and Shadowbringers stories; they all have its issues (HW's whole church is bad m'kay Ive already seen it before in numerous other rpgs, FFT being a major callback to me. Shadowbringers also had that Ahm Araeng trolley/talos segment that while I like it, was definitely a weird pace issue). But people look past those flaws due to how entertaining the journey has been.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I believe she stated in her final speech that what she did wasn't worthy of praise. More after everything she saw, she felt it was her only option to keep her people from completely destroying themselves. The way the story was presented, it worked out in the end, but she didn't do it because it was the right thing to do, she didn it because she felt it was the only recourse.

She took a gamble that paid off. But she wasn't a monster like some want to make her it to be. She had her reasons for doing it, much like Emet did his, but he gets praised for murdering billions to try to restore things to the way they were, while she gets treated as if she's a psychopath.

You can say the game is biased towards her, but no more than the forums are baised against her.

The game itself being biased towards her though far outweighs anyones thoughts, because what the game writes is technically canon(sadly). That’s the problem a lot of people have. Emet “murdered” lives yes, however Venat did the same thing. The game doesn’t really state emet as benevolent or a hero, however it does so for Venat. That is the difference here. I’d like to clarify i’m not exactly against the character itself as much as i am the writing. It seems like Venat did a complete 180 character wise. She was fairly likable and smart etc early on in Elpis but it’s like they completely switched gears with her at a point. All of a sudden she has no hope for her people meanwhile later on preaches on and on about not losing hope etc etc, she acts like her people didn’t suffer even though we’re shown time and time again that people were indeed suffering for various reasons. So that’s the problem. She herself states what she did isn’t worthy of praise, yet the narrative itself paints a different story. And this is just more salt in the Elidibus wound because he did the most benevolence out of anyone really considering not only did he pilot zodiark to save everyone, he ejected himself from it to try and calm everyone and mediate, and then even sacrifices himself for us to help us and was extremely vital in saving not only our world but the ancient one in the past as well. Meanwhile he isn’t even given a passing mention? Why is Venat praised as a hero and he isn’t even mentioned whatsoever lol.

[crimsonwitch]

Nothing in Endwalker is original. It's all been done in the past by other writers. How Endwalker approached/implemented it is akin to something you'd rather not have me say.

Yep, just watch naruto shippuden.
Meteion is essentially Obito. Granted i dont think he wanted to kill everyone if they didnt oppose him, but Obito wanted to put everyone to sleep in a dream world so they wouldn't feel pain.