What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[EgilTheStressedMage]

My post was directed at the unnerving people who would kill everyone on the Source and bring back Elpis. We may remember the Ancients but they would never remember us. Not to mention outside of trash fanfiction I'm never going to read, there's no feasible way to get Elpis back without letting the Ancients kill us. Losing Elpis sucked, but I'm not giving up what I accomplished as Egil Vairemont.

[anhaato]

My post was directed at the unnerving people who would kill everyone on the Source and bring back Elpis. We may remember the Ancients but they would never remember us. Not to mention outside of trash fanfiction I'm never going to read, there's no feasible way to get Elpis back without letting the Ancients kill us. Losing Elpis sucked, but I'm not giving up what I accomplished as Egil Vairemont.

I'd like you to find me anyone, literally anyone, even just one person, who has said they wanted that.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I'd like you to find me anyone, literally anyone, even just one person, who has said they wanted that.

how's this?

[anhaato]

how's this?

Christ... so this was all about a bad joke.

[Lauront]

My post was directed at the unnerving people who would kill everyone on the Source and bring back Elpis. We may remember the Ancients but they would never remember us. Not to mention outside of trash fanfiction I'm never going to read, there's no feasible way to get Elpis back without letting the Ancients kill us. Losing Elpis sucked, but I'm not giving up what I accomplished as Egil Vairemont.

Yes, AUs such as this don't happen in 14, after all.

[Theodric]

My post was directed at the unnerving people who would kill everyone on the Source and bring back Elpis. We may remember the Ancients but they would never remember us. Not to mention outside of trash fanfiction I'm never going to read, there's no feasible way to get Elpis back without letting the Ancients kill us. Losing Elpis sucked, but I'm not giving up what I accomplished as Egil Vairemont.

Yes, you've made a number of posts expressing such 'concern' from what I recall. I'd be more worried about those who can't grasp that none of the characters are actually real and are simply pixels on a screen designed to entertain us at the end of the day. Just because someone joins the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game that doesn't suddenly make them a mass murderer after all. Though in my experience, those who express concern over someone's stability in regards to a video game simply aren't coming to a debate in good faith.

As for the Unsundered world continuing to exist? Well, Shadowbringers already established the existence of alternate universes to justify G'raha Tia's continued existence. The writers may not have gone with the same approach for the Ancients though it's not like it would have been impossible for them to have come up with a way to do so.

We can also look at the single player games and note that the draw for many lies not only in the story of the protagonists but that of the antagonists. A one sided approach where the protagonists gain everything and the antagonists lose everything isn't what a lot of us enjoy...nor was it ever the core premise of FFXIV back when it first launched.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Yes, you've made a number of posts expressing such 'concern' from what I recall. I'd be more worried about those who can't grasp that none of the characters are actually real and are simply pixels on a screen designed to entertain us at the end of the day. Just because someone joins the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game that doesn't suddenly make them a mass murderer after all. Though in my experience, those who express concern over someone's stability in regards to a video game simply aren't coming to a debate in good faith.

Yet there's hundreds of posts of people losing their minds that Venat did this or we did that. I'm not saying you have to like what she, but some here make me think they think they actually live in XIV.

As for the Unsundered world continuing to exist? Well, Shadowbringers already established the existence of alternate universes to justify G'raha Tia's continued existence. The writers may not have gone with the same approach for the Ancients though it's not like it would have been impossible for them to have come up with a way to do so.

Then it's a shame they didn't. But it would lessen the impact of their tragedy if they were somehow just fine somewhere else. They did that enough with everyone else, I don't want this game becoming like Kingdom Hearts. Hell, Emet even looks like Xehanort in Elpis.

We can also look at the single player games and note that the draw for many lies not only in the story of the protagonists but that of the antagonists. A one sided approach where the protagonists gain everything and the antagonists lose everything isn't what a lot of us enjoy...nor was it ever the core premise of FFXIV back when it first launched.

Hence why what happened with Elpis is a tragedy. When I got to Amaurot, and even when I go back there, it was like reaching a certain location in Xenoblade 1: haunting. That there were even quests to do for these effectively ghosts made it worse. TBH, I still have other ideas on what the sound should have been. And while I'm not entirely against Meteion, there was still more I think they should have done, but they'll all be from other games I can't talk about without spoiling, and require rewrite after rewrite of XIV as a whole. If the game was a single player game from the start and not an mmo, I think it would have been the best Final Fantasy they've ever made.

[Theodric]

Yet there's hundreds of posts of people losing their minds that Venat did this or we did that. I'm not saying you have to like what she, but some here make me think they think they actually live in XIV.

Pointing out how the game isn't consistent with the themes and messages it seeks to push elsewhere is hardly equal to people losing their minds. It's a story driven game, so people being invested in the narrative is to be expected. I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that anyone here believes that they live in XIV unless you're referring to those who act like criticism of Venat is blasphemy towards an actual deity...?

Then it's a shame they didn't. But it would lessen the impact of their tragedy if they were somehow just fine somewhere else. They did that enough with everyone else, I don't want this game becoming like Kingdom Hearts. Hell, Emet even looks like Xehanort in Elpis.

When every single Scion died and came back mere minutes later I daresay the writers weren't overly concerned with the idea of lessening tragedy. Many of the single player Final Fantasy games also allowed antagonists to walk away largely unscathed by the end of their respective stories, so there's certainly precedent - and since personal tastes differ, there's plenty of us who care very little for the Scions and would much rather see some of the more nuanced characters continue to exist in some form.

Hence why what happened with Elpis is a tragedy. When I got to Amaurot, and even when I go back there, it was like reaching a certain location in Xenoblade 1: haunting. That there were even quests to do for these effectively ghosts made it worse. TBH, I still have other ideas on what the sound should have been. And while I'm not entirely against Meteion, there was still more I think they should have done, but they'll all be from other games I can't talk about without spoiling, and require rewrite after rewrite of XIV as a whole. If the game was a single player game from the start and not an mmo, I think it would have been the best Final Fantasy they've ever made.

Stereotypical JRPG tropes are stereotypical JRPG tropes. I invest in fantasy settings because I like the fantasy elements and non-human races. Having them constantly destroyed and sidelined grows tiresome and can arguably be attributed to why World of Warcraft began to descend into irrelevancy.

I prefer darker endings in my video games, though only when they're consistent - and if they're going to bend over backwards at every turn to keep the main cast free of any lasting consequences then I don't feel it is unreasonable for the antagonists and grittier characters in general to not just be killed off again and again. The game is rapidly gaining a reputation of late as little more than a glorified visual novel with its focus on lengthy unskippable cutscenes involving burger eating and similar fluff.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

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It's the penalty of being a successful mmo: they're going to start tripping. I personally see them as tripping and trying to get back up while others see them as falling so hard they exited the other side of the planet. It stops being criticism when personal attacks get involved because person A doesn't like that person B likes what person A doesn't and vice versa. If I was ever that person, I apologize.

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Because fandom and again people living in XIV. They can't bear to see their favorite characters die off for any reason even when their stories are completed. Also I've only played III, IV, V, VI, XV, and two Crystal Chronicles. I've touched VII, XII, and XIV is ongoing. I don't know who these antagonists are and not going to say which ones I think because spoilers for old games that were remastered recently.

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Tropes themselves aren't inherently bad, it's how they're used. And they didn't use them well this expansion, I admit that. Also how were the elements being destroyed?

Unfortunately the majority disagrees. Some creators just won't allow their characters to die no matter how hard it ruins the story. While others do it because lol then build the story around or off of that. But the fakeouts absolutely have to stop, though I strongly doubt they will. I didn't mind the fluff, least of all that delicious looking burger. But I still wanted some bad to go with the good that actually lasted. They looked like they were having a last meal.

By the way when I say lives in XIV, I'm referring to the people who sent death threats to the devs. There's other aspects of it but that's the big one that removes all doubt.

[aveyond-dreams]

If the game was a single player game from the start and not an mmo, I think it would have been the best Final Fantasy they've ever made.

Shadowbringers? Easily best Final Fantasy game ever made.

Endwalker? I still believe that in hindsight it's beaten out by Stranger of Paradise in terms logical influences underlying character actions, as well as the pure entertainment value of the characters who consume the most screentime.