What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Turtledeluxe]

This was part of an edit I made 1 page ago bc I hit a post limit but I am making it a post:

The whole point of the discussion for the past several pages was explaining how the time loop system canonicaly works"

The past several pages have been about genocide and random things. You'll have to get over that I initially was not aware of what Yoshi P said regarding the loop and that it changed my views. Maybe someone posted it, I don't recall seeing it.

I'm not fighting, I am explaining why, for me, Yoshi P has given enough information for me to confirm that their full intention was to have an Elpis visit that stupidly retcons everything so the WoL played a role in shaping the present and that makes trying to "fix EW" complicated. The WoL cannot really deviate (the MSQ does not have branching paths or scenarios on that scale, this is the MMO constriction) and Venat can't really deviate because the dev team didn't account for the possibility at all and it opens up a whole can of worms. I don't think there's any saving it based on what we know in a way that would be satisfying for the average player. Furthermore people all want to fix it for their own reasons and it's a hassle keeping track. As you or someone else noted, this is something we now very much agree upon but perhaps for different reasons. Some people think I'm absolving Venat when it's not that at all, it's a dumb take that could perhaps make me seem more argumentative than I am. Someone else will be hostile, saying I want the story to be dumb because players are dumb or something and that's not what I'm saying at all.

I already explained my views on the Ascian conflict in the above post and it's just not that deep for me. The anti Venat camp also operates on tons of assumptions. It seems fruitless-- what options did Emet have? What options did Hermes have? We could do this all day with anyone and it honestly seems like a hangup on Venat, hence why I joked about sexism. You can say "well the Ancients summoned Zodiark because Venat didn't tell them" - I'm not sure what she said or if they would even believe her. Also it's interesting to me people are so resistant to the idea time is deterministic in this case because as far as the summoning of Zodiark you have to explain how it ended up happening again. Was it the only solution that group could come up with or something? Or is just that it was fated to happen? The time travel is pretty dumb so I prefer to think the timeline operates in a deterministic way where perhaps they could've acted differently, but the result would have been the same. Your explanation for every single thing occurring the same way is "Venat said nothing" (which I haven't seen a source for) and that is way dumber than me saying everything was fated to happen imo.

Also Elidibus: "Yet even should you be able to interact with others, you will be unable to affect meaningful change. For the reality you wish to save, the reality to which you must return, exists as a result of the Final Days."