What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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but you only apply it to Venat? If all is fate and nothing can change it than we the player are also having no choice.

So no, her culpability doesn't matter. No one's does except Hermes and WoL.

and on genocide being a motivating factor:

I find it odd people do that in relation to Venat, again it seems so specific, no one will call me out for saying it's case by case with the Ascians and Ancients I am sure.

Please stop making assumptions and pulling quotes from posts at different points in time without regard. I understand it's a forum and it tracks posts but views can evolve as I find my own information, plus I'm responding to 6, 7 people at a time. I'm not trying to make you feel badly but this particular trait is very predictable, as you can see I was ready for the accusation. Notice how I'm asking you to not do things like this, I'm not asking you to just stop posting altogether.

In your idea Venat did the sundering in the original timeline i suppose.

Yes, finally someone who understands. I was originally saying there was an original history where uninformed Venat acted and were just Azem (hence "we could not exist in Elpis IN THAT og time because we are the sundered Azem"). This still raises the moral question at the end of the day but ultimately for me, the Ancient conflict is an alternative between two crap situations. And the Zodiark one, per the logic in the game, would have theoretically led to extinction. EW is pushing this idea to leaning into one extreme (literally due to the darkness being unbalanced and threatening the star) and philosophically (that life shouldn't include suffering or adversity) results in this situation where either humanity comes to a permanent end by star collapse or a quiet one where life loses all meaning. It seems extreme but as I have said before they're making a social commentary here-- that cultures who minmaxed themselves into a state of perfection ultimately fell to rumination, that adversity is part of what gives life its flavor and meaning.

So you need 2 headcanons to make this work.

I mean you're commenting on views I had before I knew it was confirmed we were dealing with a single timeline but go off.

Yes the writers are portraying mass murderers as innocent. That's the problem.

I disagree because Ancients are basically gods (imo), Primals certainly are (even capitalized He and She in the story for Zodiark/Hydaelyn). It's a mythological story, not one about governments and ethnicity. It's not about turning Ancient's into a preferred thing for fun but enacting the only possible method for them to interact with Dyanmis. Headcanon is believing there was some other way.

if the paying MC dies we have to act!

Umm yes.

Don't know what you are responding to here. Seems to be your strawman.

Mhmm

If we’re presented with a Venat in an AU who made the effort, successful or not, I will commend that Venat for it.

Do better.

Yes those characters claim there was no other choice. The garleans also said that about murder and the ascians.

Whataboutism

Can't critic because author's intend?

Strawman try reading the sentence again.