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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Whats hilarious is that you don't know how definitions work, can't find a better word to describe what happened, and are seemingly triggered because you operate just as much as on theory as everyone else.
    So I guess you missed this part?

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    The sundering is the literal textbook definition of genocide.
    I'd also be warry of accusing people of not knowing how definitions work when you don't know the difference between theory and headcanon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    It isn't. I've already said that several times by excessively referring to my ideas as opinions. The devs haven't confirmed or denied but rather offered "maybes" and "form your own opinion on it". So that's what I did. And I'm not the only one...it is a very common idea.
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    And that's different from headcanon how?






    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    The question in that is "you did this to all living things", which again confirms it was a general attack. Although it had many effects, the target was Zodiark.

    Again genocide would be doing it because she is targeting due to race or ethnicity, or even people with specific aether density perhaps. But the sundering affected all aether density of everything. You can't even really invoke eugenics here because she didn't target human reproduction but aether levels.
    Sundering specifically to remove Zodiarks defiance from the equation. Sundering the people specifically to create a race of people less aethericly dence to interact with something the current race of people don't do well but can create other things that can. Is ok with catching the entire rest of the planet in the blast zone in order to achieve this.




    This is all pretty in line with the definition of genocide and arguably also eugenics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    So I guess you missed this part?



    I'd also be warry of accusing people of not knowing how definitions work when you don't know the difference between theory and headcanon.













    Sundering specifically to remove Zodiarks defiance from the equation. Sundering the people specifically to create a race of people less aethericly dence to interact with something the current race of people don't do well but can create other things that can. Is ok with catching the entire rest of the planet in the blast zone in order to achieve this.




    This is all pretty in line with the definition of genocide and arguably also eugenics.
    Except she didn't target a group of people, she targeted Zodiark, we can see the physical injury it inflicted on him. She targeted the temptation of man. It's literally called out in the moment. We learn later that it had the effect of lowering aether density but even then, it wasn't targetted solely on man. She also mentions this in the trial. The sundering was going to happen whether the Final Days occurred or not-- the first motivator and the primary motivator was Zodiark. Aether density, not ethnicity, is a secondary motivator and her intentions were survival. I'd also argue regarding destroying-- can we really even say anything was destroyed? You're mourning the loss of personalities in theory but humans are shards that, if rejoined, constitute that Ancient. This is another reason I find it weird to apply genocide to fantasy because it doesn't account for the physics of that fantasy world.

    The phrase "it is a trial to which i subjected mankind" is just a long winded way of saying it put humanity through a rough time. It doesn't mean "I expressly did this to cause a trial for mankind". You can read it how you like but I don't agree. It doesn't make sense to me to follow a question that clearly points out it affected the star and all living things and then interpret it as an attack on man. There was also a functional use for dividing up the star and Zodiark's power.

    Intention is not included in definition but it is used at large when defining genocide in say, legal cases. It is not the case that just any large scale killing is labeled as genocide.
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