What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't believe they would need to deny their own existence to acknowledge a past wrongdoing. Many of us are descended from murderers and worse. Many countries were built upon foundations of blood and sorrow. Does acknowledging the wrongdoings of our forebears mean we must deny the value in our own lives?

Sometimes it isn't even a case of looking to call someone out. Sometimes one simply needs to acknowledge wrong was done and go on with their lives afterward. What's done is done, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth a moment of reflection. This is especially true in the case of past atrocities, whether or not they in any way impact people of the modern age. To disregard them is to risk repeating them one day.

I agree, which is why in terms of story it would've been redundant or perhaps even more of a dilemma if it tried to deep focus on Venat's actions whether it be right or wrong. Which wasnt the whole point behind the MSQ anyway, it was about stopping the Final Days. At the very least the game does give you the option to give your own opinion of the matter in that one part where you discussed about the Ancients with the Watcher in Mare. It's also very telling that due to the experiences with the Ancient's trying to do everything without regard of other people (including Venat) is why we nowadays get portions of a story with the Scions having to consider and discuss their plan of actions with other groups of people like Garlemald or the people of Norvrandt rather than just not caring and do whatever the hell he want.

And with the way the game already gives a sympathetic light towards Emet and his actions and a lot of other characters for that matter, its no brainer why Venat would also get a pass as well.

[Theodric]

At the very least the game does give you the option to give your own opinion of the matter in that one part where you discussed about the Ancients with the Watcher in Mare.

As far as the Omega side quest is concerned and the brief bit of push back allowed to relay one's thoughts on the Ancients...that'd be more of a compromise if it were put in the actual MSQ and involved the main party in it rather than have it hidden away in a quest chain that many players simply aren't going to do due to being entirely optional. Furthermore the game continues to fluff her up and present what she did via the codex and questionable English localisation decisions as a necessary act, even skewing her role to be more important than it was and making other entries like Zodiark's all about her, while presenting Ascians more matter-of-factly.

It's also very telling that due to the experiences with the Ancient's trying to do everything without regard of other people (including Venat) is why we nowadays get portions of a story with the Scions having to consider and discuss their plan of actions with other groups of people like Garlemald or the people of Norvrandt rather than just not caring and do whatever the hell he want.

...you mean exactly how the Ancients operated? The Scions are simply approximating the way the Ancients went about things, which is research and debate.

And with the way the game already gives a sympathetic light towards Emet and his actions and a lot of other characters for that matter, its no brainer why Venat would also get a pass as well.

That was back in Shadowbringers and involved Emet-Selch being shown to be an understandably tragic figure who had witnessed his entire civilisation and practically every person he had ever known wiped out. He never truly gets a 'pass', though since the game bends over backwards to hold him accountable for his actions and has multiple moments where the Scions confront him over the consequences of his actions.

Venat gets barely anything resembling that and as mentioned earlier, is propped up to a ridiculous degree and even falsely credited for things that aren't even her own doing. Some excellent examples of that can be found within the following thread:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5984120

For example, this is the French localisation which tracks closely to the Japanese version:



"Hydaelyn, or rather Venat, could perhaps help us out. After all, she was there when Zodiark was summoned to fight against the Final Days. She was also the one who kept him alive to protect us."

This, however, is the English variant which mysteriously credits Hydaelyn for everything with no acknowledgement of Zodiark's contributions: