What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

I said where this has come up before in my first response to you on this.

To be more exact, the Watcher explains he has vague, broken memories from before the Sundering. There are 2 NPCs in Elpis who are all but explicitly revealed to be Ancients whose identities became gods and 1 of them later repeats the same exact line in her godly form. People have been talking about this for a while now.

Yes, and nowhere have you established that this requires soul fragments specifically. Nor does any of this touch on that. In fact, the reasoning the Watcher gives when reflecting on his memories is that it was her being touched by his devotion to their cause that led her to imbue him with such memories which he was otherwise cut off from. See here:



This requires nothing more than the same way Emet’s memories of Hythlodaeus influenced his creation of the shade and certainly does not require soul fragments.

In the same thing you quoted before where it was mentioned the Twelve have fragments.

…yeah, I know that the source says that. I am asking for ones before it which do. The references on soul lore are nice and all, but it’s nothing new, and it says nothing of what would happen in the scenario where a soul is eaten up by a primal, an entirely new scenario to EW. These sources don’t help clarify that at all.

Again, it’s not a great leap of logic to suggest that after summoning there could’ve been pieces of soul left that have a bare trace of identity left in them.

Certainly not implied in Yoshi’s or the Watcher’s own words, nor from any older sources, though, which you were trying to make it seem was the case.

You’re using this as some sort of slam dunk that the writers are wrong but there’s nothing here being contradicted. The Twelve were made before Hydaelyn died and used up all her aether. The souls of the Twelve and the Watcher were not preserved, like you yourself quoted, they were fragments.

Yeah, because it sits oddly both with the short story and with what Yoshi said. Whether you like it or not, I will point out the issue, especially when the Watcher’s own words point to her summoning being the point by which their souls were burned up.

I really don’t get why you’re so obsessed about this

I think that's rather utterly disingenuous framing. I merely pointed out what looks like a contradiction to me. You are the one trying to obsessively claim it isn’t by use of your own interpretations of what must be going on. Really, I think you come across as obsessed with policing opinion about the game’s story as well as this thread.

or treating my way of thinking like a headcanon or a stretch to justify continuity.

Pretty much what it comes across as, in all honesty. I can understand you finding ways to reconcile it as I stated in an earlier post. What is really weird to me is that you feel the need to try put this down to looking for “excuses” to dislike the raid, or that I’d hang that on this single issue. The patch has also only just come out, so naturally it's going to be a subject of discussion.