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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I assume you can provide the appropriate sources, then.
    I said where this has come up before in my first response to you on this.

    To be more exact, the Watcher explains he has vague, broken memories from before the Sundering. There are 2 NPCs in Elpis who are all but explicitly revealed to be Ancients whose identities became gods and 1 of them later repeats the same exact line in her godly form. People have been talking about this for a while now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Where was it stated that there were 'dregs'? Or are you simply assuming that they existed? How does that align with the previous declarations that their souls were entirely used up?
    In the same thing you quoted before where it was mentioned the Twelve have fragments.

    Again, it’s not a great leap of logic to suggest that after summoning there could’ve been pieces of soul left that have a bare trace of identity left in them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Furthermore could you also explain, using the lore and not your own headcanon, how their essence will unravel, return to the star, and give rise to new life from mere leftover fragments that you are claiming have been foreshadowed to exist for over a year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikoto (Where Eagles Nest)
    Every living being is comprised of corporeal aether of the flesh, incorporeal aether of the soul, and the aetherial residue of their memories. Were one to be possessed of only corporeal aether, they would be but a walking corpse. Conversely, entities comprised of only incorporeal aether are referred to in layman's terms as ghosts. In either case, they may also retain some of their residual memories. Of course, a ghost that possesses residual memories could likely recall its past and retain self-awareness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alphinaud (Unto the Truth)
    Hmmm... In the past, when I sought to identify the true nature of ghosts, I came upon literature examining a similar subject. The soul was likened to a core that resides in the aether, and its presence is what differentiates us from such beings as sprites and arcane entities. Upon death, said core ordinarily dissipates alongside the aether that composed the flesh. However, it may be held together and bound to the corporeal realm, either by the will of its owner or by means of certain arts. In time, the soul may regather aether unto itself to assume another form, or find newly emerged life in which to abide.


    All life is made up of aether. I don’t know how fragments of souls would be treated by the lifestream but their aether would be returned to the lifestream or the world’s ambient aether (absorbed by everyone), but their aether will still return to the world and be incorporated by life. It’s not much different from a primal or a familiar except that there’s a soul fragment in there.

    A: Souls are also made of aether, and she had used so much aether that even her soul was gone. Zodiark absorbed those who were sacrificed and was still able to maintain their souls within, whereas Hydaelyn did not have the leeway to preserve the souls of the summoners, including that of Venat herself. This difference was because Venat’s group was a very small minority compared to the group that had summoned Zodiark based on the Convocation’s decision. Venat’s soul, which was the last to remain, was used up in the trial against the Warrior of Light and their allies.
    You’re using this as some sort of slam dunk that the writers are wrong but there’s nothing here being contradicted. The Twelve were made before Hydaelyn died and used up all her aether. The souls of the Twelve and the Watcher were not preserved, like you yourself quoted, they were fragments.

    I really don’t get why you’re so obsessed about this or treating my way of thinking like a headcanon or a stretch to justify continuity.
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    Last edited by MikkoAkure; 10-05-2023 at 03:34 AM.