What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Necrotica]

Honestly it is strange that people want to choose Emet-Selch; who is quote on quote a "megaloniacal maniac" driven by depression and people seem to easily ignore the countless amounts of genocide and suffering in multiple worlds. His plight is sympathetic but doesnt excuse the atrocities he committed. Its like that weird side of tumblr again who people love the fantasize villian characters because "they get me" or something like that. I just like Emet-Selch he's just an entertaining character and villain, not because I agree with what he did.

Emet-Selch fought and killed for his own people.

The WoL fights and kills for his/her own people.

Venat wiped out HER OWN people cause she did not think them worthy of existence.

[FirstGearFirstGear]

Emet-Selch fought and killed for his own people.

He wiped out seven entire planets and leveled every civilization the Source produced because he refused to acknowledge any form of life that wasn't an Ancient as a living being. He would have slaughtered six more planets and continued throwing souls beyond counting into Zodiark until he had returned to his desired paradise, which would have ultimately condemned the entire cosmos to being destroyed by Meteion.

The degree to which people in this thread whitewash the crimes of the Ascians is genuinely kind of disturbing.

[AwesomeJr44]

Worst case scenario for Emet, they're both evil.

(The monkey comparison is from comparing a monkey to a human. The monkey can be considered near human, but it is not human and is only an animal. Note that this is an observation from an outside, objective, and neutral perspective, I do not fault the sundered for fighting against the Ascians just like I wouldn't fault a monkey for trying to fight against a human that is trying to kill it.)

[aveyond-dreams]

Worst case scenario for Emet, they're both evil.

(The monkey comparison is from comparing a monkey to a human. The monkey can be considered near human, but it is not human and is only an animal. Note that this is an observation from an outside, objective, and neutral perspective, I do not fault the sundered for fighting against the Ascians just like I wouldn't fault a monkey for trying to fight against a human that is trying to kill it.)

The monkey at least has opposable thumbs. After the Sundering all that was left was flans who couldn't even form coherent speech. Forgive me if I'm not as sympathetic to them as I was to the Ancients.

[Graeham]

The monkey comparison is from comparing a monkey to a human.

Guild it is very sorry for meme. Is the bad idea. Do not have the angry at Jr writer. Is not what he is say Top Gear.

Be using all the care Jr writer. Old book and movie it use code to representing minority people with the monkey or the ape chara. It is call the dehumanizer. Old Disney it accuse of it and infamous is the Jungler Book with King Louis. It still hurt and anger the people today and can find lot of the critic. Guild it support King Solus but chara should not think Guild giving the support to prejudice. It is bad idea. We have the better defense for King Solus who fighting for No Shadow God sake use the power of the friend.

[AwesomeJr44]

*Graeham Post*

Hey, I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my class at the writer's guild, and that my meme was approved by both guildmaster Themis and King Solus himself.

[Graeham]

Hey, I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my class at the writer's guild, and that my meme was approved by both guildmaster Themis and King Solus himself.

Elibuss he forget to be do paperwork to promote. So is still the Jr ghost writer not graduate ghost writer. Do not lose the heart is good try. But focusing on good think King Solus do so chara not have wrong idea.

[AwesomeJr44]

You are literally buying into the Ascians' nonsense belief that the only life that matters is the Ancients.

From an outside perspective that doesn't allow itself to be biased by either side, Ancient life is more valuable by it's very nature of being complete and unsundered. I can't speak for you, but if I was given the choice to either save the human race or save all of the monkeys on the planet, I'd choose to save the humans. It's a regrettable decision, but the correct one.

Try showing a picture of the Eorzean city-states or the Crystal Tower or Kugane to somebody with no knowledge of Shadowbringers or Endwalker.

Why would it have to be someone who hasn't seen SHB or EW? Surely your argument doesn't rely on your audience's ignorance, does it? Your response to my observation that uses all information available is to say "well what about asking someone who doesn't have all of the available information? I bet they'd agree with me!". Even if they did agree with you, that opinion would be uninformed.

Even if you take the worst possible interpretation of Venat that the text supports, Emet is several orders of magnitude worse.

In the case of a contradiction (such as the one in this game's story), I shall believe what is shown, rather than what is told. If the writers of the story don't like that, they should have written a better story with less contradictions.

[Celine_Aurora]

From an outside perspective that doesn't allow itself to be biased by either side, Ancient life is more valuable by it's very nature of being complete and unsundered. I can't speak for you, but if I was given the choice to either save the human race or save all of the monkeys on the planet, I'd choose to save the humans. It's a regrettable decision, but the correct one.

From an outside perspective that does not allow itself to be biased, the difference between an Ancient and an Elezen is that one has less aether at their disposal but that doesn't make them less valuable as a person.

Also from an outside perspective that does not allow itrself to be biased, in the grand scheme of things, there's not a lot of difference between killing all the humans or all the monkeys in the world.

In the case of a contradiction (such as the one in this game's story), I shall believe what is shown, rather than what is told. If the writers of the story don't like that, they should have written a better story with less contradictions.

Yes, it's really hard to be sympathetic to one or the other, because ultimately this story is a contrivance to give us cool boss fights, and not exactly a literary masterpiece.

[FirstGearFirstGear]

From an outside perspective that doesn't allow itself to be biased by either side, Ancient life is more valuable by it's very nature of being complete and unsundered. I can't speak for you, but if I was given the choice to either save the human race or save all of the monkeys on the planet, I'd choose to save the humans. It's a regrettable decision, but the correct one.

Yeah, this is why I keep saying genuinely disturbing. You are declaring that anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standard of existence is worthless. You have written off 28 iterations of society, countless millions if not billions of people, untold works of art and culture all for the sake of one civilization that peaked and then was violently destroyed. All this despite the game telling you repeatedly and directly that the Ancients aren't inherently more valuable than the sundered.


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To put it more succinctly, you do realize you're the monkey, right?

Why would it have to be someone who hasn't seen SHB or EW? Surely your argument doesn't rely on your audience's ignorance, does it? Your response to my observation that uses all information available is to say "well what about asking someone who doesn't have all of the available information? I bet they'd agree with me!". Even if they did agree with you, that opinion would be uninformed.

It's to establish a baseline understanding of the world before revealing that everything that person has seen was technically built by "lesser beings". But you're right, the experiment has no guaranteed outcome because as this thread demonstrates, there are somehow people who play through most of FF14 before deciding they should kill themselves so Emet won't be sad any more.

In the case of a contradiction (such as the one in this game's story), I shall believe what is shown, rather than what is told. If the writers of the story don't like that, they should have written a better story with less contradictions.

What contradiction? In the worst possible interpretation, Venat actively did one genocide knowing it would lead to life later on and the hope it would preserve the entire universe. The Ascians chose to do a few dozen more.

Once it was revealed in the Q&A that Venat purposefully let those who would become the Unsundered Ascians escape the Sundering—despite knowing exactly what they would do—their actions and the consequences became blood on her hands as well as their own.

Venat placed a gun on the table. Emet and pals picked it up and started blasting everyone in range. Both bear responsibility, but one of them is pretty clear worse.

I also find it kind of funny that the example we have of Venat saving Ancient lives is just as bad as killing them apparently.

Venat also took her own people and reduced them to their current state of vulnerability and mortality against their own will, she then referred to those broken, incomplete remnants of her former peers as her children. Regardless of motive, I find that quite disturbing.

Again, this is you, this is your character, this is literally 99.999999% of the people you meet, this is the entire world that you have presumably sunk hundreds if not thousands of hours into. You are literally describing yourself as worthless and incomplete and only good for being murdered. I don't know how to make it clearer how insane that belief is