Quote Originally Posted by Brinne View Post
This, though, I would specifically disagree with - a framing of "the Ancients died because of a terrible, unplanned, unintentional tragedy" is very different from "the Ancients died because one person (righteously, the story argues) deliberately murdered them." Tragedy versus murder are not the same results to me. The story is not saying the same thing as far as the thematics of what it means to be "worthy to live" at the end of Shadowbringers versus the end of Endwalker - it rather ends up saying the opposite, in fact, because of that distinction between unintentional tragedy we universally have to make peace with the likes of, and a deliberate, narrative-justified murder for a believed greater good. "Bad things sometimes happen for no reason, even to good people" is not the same result to me as "some populations just need to die because they're not good enough."
And this is the approach I disagree with.

It's one thing to critically discuss a piece of writing that absolutely failed to deliver its message cohesively and another to make a take on the story that you are fully aware and have admitted is not what was intended and to completely sprint with it, using buzzwords like "narrative-justified murder", "evil", or "worst villain in FF" that have a tendency to bait emotional responses both in support and against your posts.

I am with you in that I don't like how they changed the framing of the end of the Ancients, and I would like to discuss what they could've done differently, where they went wrong, and ask what they were thinking and what caused them to write it this way. But I'm not about go full in on ripping open the plot holes and tugging at the threads while running down the hallways screaming that Venat is a traitor to her race. Going full into extremes doesn't leave room for critical discussion and just causes a shouting match where no one budges and no one is convinced of anything.


The whole arc is over and it's probably not coming back and we're probably less likely to get any further clarification on things as the story moves forward with something completely new. That's what makes it even more baffling why people dwell on this to the point where it seems like they make it a part of their personality and go as far as making a discord to keep talking about it amongst themselves. The game has moved on without you.