What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[underl0gic]

6.2 has been out for over 10 days and I still haven't managed to find the motivation to do MSQ

I haven't even finished the 6.1 MSQ let alone the new released stuff. For everyone building up Natsuko Ishikawa like she was the second coming of a story telling god she sure came up with a whole lot of cliche "friendship triumphs over all" and indestructible plot armor. Don't get me wrong there were some really good moments but they're immediately erased by:

-Zodiark, the supposed yin to Hydaelyn's yang gets nuked in literally the first trial of the expansion and Zenos is just like "haha whatever later nerds"
-How about the laughably bad cutscene in RAH when the final days begin and the WoL just stands there and watches that guy getting eaten like they couldn't have closed the gap in a split second and eradicated that thing with a flick of their wrist.
-Y'shtola being 90000 times more insufferable than she already had been
-Everyone sacrifices themselves on Ultima Thule and you think to yourself "FINALLY they're raising the stakes" haha nope just kidding nobody dies because POWER OF FRIENDSHIP CONQUERS ALL AM I RIGHT GUYS? It's the finale of a story where you're stopping the end of the god damn world and every single one of them has L9999 plot armor. It's like none of it mattered in the end because it's just another cliche happily ever after story so why should I care about what happens next? Where do you go when you've stopped the end of existence?

It's such amateur Disney level storytelling from the same person responsible for Shadowbringers and I found myself immediately going into the 6.1 MSQ saying "I don't care about any of this". It almost feels like to me 6.0 was FF14 running off a cliff in regards to lots of aspects of the game not just in the story but look at the housing fiasco and the balance issues and everything else. Island Sancts are a joke, they spent 5 months on a housing lottery no one bothered to internally test for 5 minutes to make sure the tickets drew correctly and then it took another 3 months on top of it to be fixed.

What happened?

[jameseoakes]

I haven't even finished the 6.1 MSQ let alone the new released stuff. For everyone building up Natsuko Ishikawa like she was the second coming of a story telling god she sure came up with a whole lot of cliche "friendship triumphs over all" and indestructible plot armor. Don't get me wrong there were some really good moments but they're immediately erased by:


It's such amateur Disney level storytelling from the same person responsible for Shadowbringers and I found myself immediately going into the 6.1 MSQ saying "I don't care about any of this". It almost feels like to me 6.0 was FF14 running off a cliff in regards to lots of aspects of the game not just in the story but look at the housing fiasco and the balance issues and everything else. Island Sancts are a joke, they spent 5 months on a housing lottery no one bothered to internally test for 5 minutes to make sure the tickets drew correctly and then it took another 3 months on top of it to be fixed.

What happened?

It's been really odd, Endwalker copies so much from what worked well when they did it in Shadowbringers and then seem to show they had no idea what made it work. My feeling has been that with Endwalker they tried to pick themes and concepts they had seen work elsewhere (like the despair and nihilism) and copy them but with out them having a firm understanding of how they work

[Kazhar]

It's been really odd, Endwalker copies so much from what worked well when they did it in Shadowbringers and then seem to show they had no idea what made it work. My feeling has been that with Endwalker they tried to pick themes and concepts they had seen work elsewhere (like the despair and nihilism) and copy them but with out them having a firm understanding of how they work

The Dead Ends dungeon is a perfect representation of this IMO. In surface, it has a lot of the same qualities as Amaurot. Cool music and visuals, an impressive walk through the death of a civilization narrated by the main villain.
Except in Amaurot, everything made sense. It was the culmination of years of storytelling and showed us a crucial event which kickstarted the entire plot of the game.
Dead Ends feels a bit random in comparison. I'm still not sure why Meteion decided to narrate this to us (we had a special connection with Emet-Selch and he wanted us to know where he came from. Meteion's reasoning is much weaker here.), and most of the things we saw here are completely inconsequential to the overall narrative. The event which gave birth to Hydaelyn and Zodiark + The Sundering vs ... some random civilizations Meteion hinted at once in a scene but have barely anything to do with the plot beyond ham-fisted symbolism. It's like Shadowbringers but without the substance.
It just feels like they just copied Amaurot because it was a well-received dungeon instead of trying to make something more fitting.

[jameseoakes]

The Dead Ends dungeon is a perfect representation of this IMO. In surface, it has a lot of the same qualities as Amaurot. Cool music and visuals, an impressive walk through the death of a civilization narrated by the main villain.
Except in Amaurot, everything made sense. It was the culmination of years of storytelling and showed us a crucial event which kickstarted the entire plot of the game.
Dead Ends feels a bit random in comparison. I'm still not sure why Meteion decided to narrate this to us (we had a special connection with Emet-Selch and he wanted us to know where he came from. Meteion's reasoning is much weaker here.), and most of the things we saw here are completely inconsequential to the overall narrative. The event which gave birth to Hydaelyn and Zodiark + The Sundering vs ... some random civilizations Meteion hinted at once in a scene but have barely anything to do with the plot beyond ham-fisted symbolism. It's like Shadowbringers but without the substance.
It just feels like they just copied Amaurot because it was a well-received dungeon instead of trying to make something more fitting.

Yeah that was the main one in my head when I said that, Amaurot was an amazing dungeon seeing the place we had just been walking round go through that was moving and Emets narration was really strong. The Dead Ends just repeated Thule and the narration didn't really add much and the places we see don't have much impact as they are so throw away and honestly they're not as grim as Amarout felt as they were just not well delivered.