What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lucida3b]

That whole thing bout thinking bout it too much always annoys me, this isn't looney tunes where the point is the logic takes a break for comedy.

This is a game were in the past it wants us to think about complex or semi-complex morel dilemma's or concepts now wants us not to? that is legitimately hackish writing

[Iscah]

Same thoughts but with Venat. Why do Hermes and Venat get to be on the finale painting, but Elidibus/Zodiark are nowhere to be seen. Really baffling when you remember they’re the only reason we’re even alive to this day.

Because everyone is in their Ancient forms, not modern Ascian/primal forms?

Including Elidibus requires either a mismatching "not original self" version or his previously unseen form as Themis. Either would be jarring for that moment.

If we had seen him in the course of the MSQ, he would almost certainly be there. But in the existing layout of the narrative, it is difficult.

[Rulakir]

That whole thing bout thinking bout it too much always annoys me, this isn't looney tunes where the point is the logic takes a break for comedy.

This is a game were in the past it wants us to think about complex or semi-complex morel dilemma's or concepts now wants us not to? that is legitimately hackish writing

Not only that, but it's a response someone ignorant of fantasy fandom would give. Fans love deep diving lore and he should know this. Why even bother crafting an intricate story if it's only for surface level enjoyment? Why would they even need Oda if that's the case?

[Theodric]

Not only that, but it's a response someone ignorant of fantasy fandom would give. Fans love deep diving lore and he should know this. Why even bother crafting an intricate story if it's only for surface level enjoyment? Why would they even need Oda if that's the case?

It's particularly tone deaf when he is on record as having praised people for doing it in the past. It isn't something he is unaware of. I rather suspect it was a way of showing his irritation because the pretty character he spent a month getting 'just right' in a cutscene was criticised.

He'd do well to look at World of Warcraft and how the constant promotion of Sylvanas despite her incredibly divisive actions backfired and contributed to the game bleeding players over time.

It should also be pretty obvious that not everybody wants the game to focus on the Scions and little else. Why he keeps promoting them to such an obnoxious degree is beyond me. It really feels as if he's mad that players dared to find something else more refreshing and interesting.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Because everyone is in their Ancient forms, not modern Ascian/primal forms?

Including Elidibus requires either a mismatching "not original self" version or his previously unseen form as Themis. Either would be jarring for that moment.

If we had seen him in the course of the MSQ, he would almost certainly be there. But in the existing layout of the narrative, it is difficult.

Okay then how about Zodiark? Or just have Elidibus there as his masked self. Or honestly they could have just put his Themis self there seeing as we're introduced to him 2 minutes later. If it was only this i would give it a pass, but now in the recent flow music video and official art, he is missing from there as well. How funny is it Venat,Emet,Hythlo etc get to be on there....but Elidibus does not. I think theres some bias showing....

[Skyborne]

I think EW is one of those stories that the longer you think about it the more it falls apart.

Like the exact opposite of Fridge Brilliance, whatever that's called.

Not only that, but the sheer hypocrisy just retroactively ruined a lot of the story for me -- and future writing, which will just be me rolling my eyes. It's like that one meme with the kid at the surface of the water looking worried while far below the depths is a skeleton long drowned. That's the Sundered vs the Ancients treatment to me.

If we had seen him in the course of the MSQ, he would almost certainly be there. But in the existing layout of the narrative, it is difficult.

Don't remind me how we only had him in for 5 minutes in his little snuggie ghost man form as he kills himself to send us back to the past. brb hiding the pain... though honestly, I think it wouldn't have been too odd to feature him and his OG short self, just with the hood/mask on and looking away/down at some of the Convocation stones in his hand.

[Iscah]

On further thought, the even simpler answer as to why Elidibus isn't in the picture is that it isn't trying to be "important Ancients", it's just all the friends we made in Elpis.

[jameseoakes]

On further thought, the even simpler answer as to why Elidibus isn't in the picture is that it isn't trying to be "important Ancients", it's just all the friends we made in Elpis.

We're friends with Hermes after the sick things he does? That man is a monster

[KizuyaKatogami]

On further thought, the even simpler answer as to why Elidibus isn't in the picture is that it isn't trying to be "important Ancients", it's just all the friends we made in Elpis.

How are we friends with Hermes tho lmao....

[Theodric]

I suspect that they didn't much thought into it, though I do find it interesting to see which characters the game chooses to promote across social media as that in itself feeds into biases.

I've seen very little official media devoted to Garlemald despite its numerous fans and the simple fact that it, too, is meant to drawing to a close in terms of relevancy in the story moving forward.