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    Quote Originally Posted by not_ya_wify View Post
    I also have to agree when ShB Emet-Selch says that he cannot be held accountable for murder because he does not consider us to be truly alive. I thought the same way even before he said it. After seeing Amaurot, I felt that the world around me wasn't real anymore and I'm fighting to keep alive these lifeless husks while preventing them from actually being saved in my childish ignorance.
    Something to keep in mind. Just because the sundered are not on the same level as Emet, the idea that he wouldn't be killing people is very flawed. The sundered can have a full on philosophical conversation with him, that's quite different from a childs ignorance. Even if their perspective could be expanded by being rejoined, that doesn't justify killing them all to do that.

    The only person, who doesn't feel like a know-it-all brat in this case is Gaia because Mitron did give her his memories and she still chose to stay with Ryne. Which to be honest also seems ridiculous to me that she would choose her teenage girlfriend over the love of her life... no ETERNITY that she has spent millenia with to fight for the salvation of humanity. For what? Cookies and tea with a 15-year old she just met (and couldn't stand a few days ago).

    I saw the Ascians dilemma from that perspective. They must sacrifice the WoL to resurrect the Azem but the WoL has really been Azem all along, she just can't remember her life before the sundering. It's not really killing the WoL as much as it is saving Azem's soul.
    Gaia is a new life. She is not the same exact person that Mitron lost. Just because it's the same soul doesn't mean it's not a new person. By forcing Loghrif back, Mitron was effectively erasing Gaia. That's not a good thing and I'm not sure why you would be surprised that whatever remnants of Gaia were still present would want to hold onto her own existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post


    Gaia is a new life. She is not the same exact person that Mitron lost. Just because it's the same soul doesn't mean it's not a new person. By forcing Loghrif back, Mitron was effectively erasing Gaia. That's not a good thing and I'm not sure why you would be surprised that whatever remnants of Gaia were still present would want to hold onto her own existence.
    Whats interesting is Savage paints a different picture. In Savage Mitron's death seems to break her and she accepts being Loghrif. To me the Ryne thing just seems like pandering. It makes no logical sense even with Gaia being a different person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Whats interesting is Savage paints a different picture. In Savage Mitron's death seems to break her and she accepts being Loghrif. To me the Ryne thing just seems like pandering. It makes no logical sense even with Gaia being a different person.
    How is it pandering? How does someone trying to maintain who they are make no logical sense to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    Something to keep in mind. Just because the sundered are not on the same level as Emet, the idea that he wouldn't be killing people is very flawed. The sundered can have a full on philosophical conversation with him, that's quite different from a childs ignorance. Even if their perspective could be expanded by being rejoined, that doesn't justify killing them all to do that.



    Gaia is a new life. She is not the same exact person that Mitron lost. Just because it's the same soul doesn't mean it's not a new person. By forcing Loghrif back, Mitron was effectively erasing Gaia. That's not a good thing and I'm not sure why you would be surprised that whatever remnants of Gaia were still present would want to hold onto her own existence.
    Exactly how I feel about the denizens of the Source. Hell, I remember them telling Varis to politely screw himself when he presented the very idea. I still stand by their decision regardless of what I've learned in ShB and EW.
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