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    A lot of people seem to be missing the point of Venat's actions...

    She was faced with imminent, absolute death of everything... or having to be a villain to her people so that a new people could have a chance at saving SOME form of life.

    She chose the latter. She wasn't 'absolute good', and she is absolutely justifiably seen as evil to those she harmed... but the alternative was what? Meteion quashing literally all forms of life and leaving the universe with literally nothing in it.

    So like... ya. She's not 'super good guy who was unambiguously good!' but if she was... that'd be boring. She was put in the difficult decision: Destroy her world so that SOME world could live... or let everything die in exchange for her world having a little bit of extra time. Tough decision. The decision she made, at least currently, appears to have been the correct one. We stopped the 'final days'. Her people most likely couldn't have - they were too aetherically strong to deal with the dynamis. But... was there another way? Maybe. We'll never know.

    She committed awful acts but in doing so secured a future for life as a concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elesh View Post
    She was faced with imminent, absolute death of everything... or having to be a villain to her people so that a new people could have a chance at saving SOME form of life.
    No, she wasn't, the Final Days had been averted by Zodiark. There was no further risk to the star nor would there be for at least 12k years, which she knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elesh View Post
    A lot of people seem to be missing the point of Venat's actions...

    She was faced with imminent, absolute death of everything... or having to be a villain to her people so that a new people could have a chance at saving SOME form of life.

    She chose the latter. She wasn't 'absolute good', and she is absolutely justifiably seen as evil to those she harmed... but the alternative was what? Meteion quashing literally all forms of life and leaving the universe with literally nothing in it.

    So like... ya. She's not 'super good guy who was unambiguously good!' but if she was... that'd be boring. She was put in the difficult decision: Destroy her world so that SOME world could live... or let everything die in exchange for her world having a little bit of extra time. Tough decision. The decision she made, at least currently, appears to have been the correct one. We stopped the 'final days'. Her people most likely couldn't have - they were too aetherically strong to deal with the dynamis. But... was there another way? Maybe. We'll never know.

    She committed awful acts but in doing so secured a future for life as a concept.
    Or. . .maybe tell her people what was going on so that a select group of them could be sundered, deal with the problem and then be rejoined. But her not telling them what was going on is what doomed them. That, my friend, is genocide very much clear cut.
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    The beauty of storytelling is that it is fundamentally subjective. I'm sad that you didn't enjoy the story. But the point of the story in Endwalker was that it was an enjoyable story for a large segment of people who fall into the 'not you' category of the world.
    A lot of people seem to be missing the point of Venat's actions...

    She was faced with imminent, absolute death of everything... or having to be a villain to her people so that a new people could have a chance at saving SOME form of life.

    She chose the latter. She wasn't 'absolute good', and she is absolutely justifiably seen as evil to those she harmed... but the alternative was what? Meteion quashing literally all forms of life and leaving the universe with literally nothing in it.

    Her people most likely couldn't have - they were too aetherically strong to deal with the dynamis.

    She committed awful acts but in doing so secured a future for life as a concept.
    Two posts in and my "Standard Endwalker Defense That Has Already Been Argued About In Pages Past" bingo has already been filled, well done. Here, take my blessing!

    But... was there another way? Maybe. We'll never know.
    Yeah... perhaps another way that would not have been the figurative one-eyed man with a monopoly over information lording over and using all the blind as pawns (but remember, she just loves us!). Meanwhile, I will forever wonder what went wrong with the lore that I liked for ~7 years and how they managed to destroy it all in one "Burning of TelAmaurot" scene. And the slow-motion carcrash that was Ultima Thule (liked the instrumental music though).
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