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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I'd agree that the focus should be on that, with the caveat that I wouldn't go as far as to say it absolves her, due to the fact that she says she'll take nothing for granted, and because Yoshi moots it as a possibility that she worked to actively preserve the timeline, thus I'd say her actions can still be questioned in their own right (and they do word it as a lot of it being based on her belief about things.) Where the time loop muddles things up is that it certainly gives the impression that she has a "fallback" option, meaning she could afford to give up on her people when they didn't respond the way she wanted (again, the rationale for the lack of concrete evidence presented to them is shaky due to other plot elements and her own "nothing is impossible" mentality, but certainly some do take the time loop as a plausible reason for it), and coupled with not subjecting her to the memory loss, they essentially place a lot of what is to follow directly into her hands.
    Yeah, that's exactly why I've repeated express that I wish they'd given the option to tell her, "No. Your plan is stupid. At least warn the Convocation". Because the whole "Nothing is certain" statement sounds ridiculous when Venat chooses to not do the primary thing that would change history. Like, she has a surefire option that would 100% make sure the future does not got the same, and she chooses NOT to take it to make sure that one particular aspect of the future remains unchanged.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    There's ways they could've written her (e.g. subjecting her to the memory loss) that would've worked better and really, why involve a time loop when you have the Echo as a narrative device... unless the idea is to establish an AU. But they didn't. Unless there's one coming...
    That's my hope. I'm still holding out for the chance "their" Venat (as in, the one that should still be around within Elpis) will come to actually abide by the whole "the future is not set" viewpoint and at least save her timeline. It's too late for us, because "our" Hydaelyn was a dingus....but there's still time to save her people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ixon View Post
    I like hypotheticals for the sake of discussion, so spare me a moment if you can: Let's say Venat warned the people of Etheirys of Metion, who she is, what she became, so on. What would the people have Etheirys done?
    This question is basically irrelevant, based on the argument of self-determination. The people of Etheirys deserved a chance to have all the relevant information to chart the course of their own destiny. If that destiny led them to destruction, then so be it. But they deserved the chance to prove everyone wrong.

    We're talking about a situation in which one person decided they knew what was best for everyone and kept them ignorant, and then judged them and their fitness to live when they made decisions based on information they didn't know. What else do you call that besides tyranny?
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    Last edited by CrownySuccubus; 04-08-2022 at 04:21 AM.