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    Brinne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    Walking. It takes human beings several years to learn how to walk, and if you lose the ability to do it for whatever reason (for example, through injury), it takes a very long time to learn it again. Feral children that were not taught to walk in their infancy find it pretty much impossible to learn later, and trying to teach them actually does more harm than good. So even if creation magicks were analogous to a learned ability (which, again they aren't), it would be the same as removing a human being's ability to walk on two legs. And there is no way to describe that other than to "injure" or "cripple" them.
    Mankind has grown too complacent and full of hubris with that power that has ultimately led to the destruction of countless species and untold tragedy: opposable thumbs. Gentlemen, we know what we must do.

    (Sorry, I'm still a bit stuck on "Where in the story does it state that the Ancients who were Sundered suffered the effects of being Sundered?" It may take me some more time to fully recover.)

    On a slightly more serious note, this is why hypotheticals and propositions about "why the Ancients had to die" (the only one truly serious philosophical problem in FFXIV, one might say <_<) pointing at Creation Magic has always bothered me. It's innate to them. They are born with it. Babies can do it. It's like breathing to them, in their words. To say "creation magic is the problem" is essentially saying this race of people was just flat out "born wrong," and thus had to be eradicated because they're just biologically unacceptable to be allowed to live. It starts approaching that uncomfortable area quickly for me, again.
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    Personally I still think the Sundering was straight up genocide. It makes zero sense for the different races all to evolve exactly the same on all the shards. For there to not even be a whiff of legend about the ancients unless the sundering actually killed them all and all venat did was put their torn apart souls into creation concepts. Which is also why she calls us "Her Children" and why in the final days2 it was people who were corrupted rather then the ancients creations. Essentially while aetheric density does make it harder, the reason people were corrupted so easily was simply due to the fact that they are the descendents of beings given form with creation magic. As to why the races are so different. Venat just used the existing concepts. I know YP has pretty much ruled this out. But its what i think makes the most sense.

    I also think Venats "fly my childrenand never look back" in the moon ship plan was doomed to fail from the start. The moment that ship left the fading protection of Zodiarks influence, they would all have started turning, trapped like rats with no escape.

    I still think Zodiark was done dirty i never wanted him to become the big bad we had to fight. But i do think it would have been a nice twist to actually release and speak to the god and learn it was as emet had always said, a saviour. (It kinda still is this but its so poorly done that its often lost due to the other stuff happening)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    I also think Venats "fly my childrenand never look back" in the moon ship plan was doomed to fail from the start. The moment that ship left the fading protection of Zodiarks influence, they would all have started turning, trapped like rats with no escape.
    This is actually a hilarious point that I never considered. But by god you're right, the moon would just turn into a floating mental hospital. I thought that was a ridiculous story detail to begin with but this just makes it even more laughably odd for them to write in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    I still think Zodiark was done dirty i never wanted him to become the big bad we had to fight. But i do think it would have been a nice twist to actually release and speak to the god and learn it was as emet had always said, a saviour. (It kinda still is this but its so poorly done that its often lost due to the other stuff happening)
    I think it's pretty good for that "subverting expectations" thing at least. You got a being with a demonic, monstrous appearance, and he's a hero who saved the world and everyone on it. You also got the angelic being with an appearance of purity and beauty, and she's a narcissistic megalomaniac who destroyed the world and killed everyone on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    Personally I still think the Sundering was straight up genocide. It makes zero sense for the different races all to evolve exactly the same on all the shards.
    The existence of Ardbert (and his party), Grenoldt and Mowen on the first is meant to imply that everyone and everything on each shard split identically across all the shards. This is, of course, somewhat muddled by the fact that our WOL can be anything we want, but the Warriors were all identical reflections of the Derplander's squad, Grenoldt is just Gerolt with hair, and Mowen is just straight up Rowena with one letter missing and one changed. Of course, this bears the question of free will and why and how there's been no variation on interbreeding and intermixing over the past 12,000 years. Did every person marry/have children with the exact reflections of their spouses on other worlds? Have there been no other stories like Lamitt falling in love with Ardbert? Have there been no other mixed children like Hilda? Or do genes eventually "settle" on one species, like with G'raha?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    I also think Venats "fly my childrenand never look back" in the moon ship plan was doomed to fail from the start. The moment that ship left the fading protection of Zodiarks influence, they would all have started turning, trapped like rats with no escape.
    Playing devil's advocate here, but I think the implication was that the Song of Oblivion spreads from star to star. We're never told how much time passed between Meteion's escape from Elpis, but it was at least months or years. It's also likely that the Loporritz had scouted stars that were unlikely to have been affected by the Song yet, although they make it clear several times that they actually have no idea what's on them or what they're like.

    The goal of the Moon plan was simply to outrun the Song for as long as possible. In the face of death, sometimes all you can do is struggle to live just one more day and hope that maybe one day, someone will find a way out of this.
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    Last edited by CrownySuccubus; 04-04-2022 at 11:52 PM.