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    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    No, the result is exactly why she sundered it. We are specifically told by Venat herself that the entire purpose behind the Sundering was to induce mankind to death and suffering so that they could learn to overcome it rather than deny its existence. Sacrificing the lives to return to their old lives was an example of the Ancients denying the existence of suffering.
    The result is accounted for in her action, but the immediate purpose was to stop the Ancients. The rest follows afterward. Like I said, an action does not have to have only a singular purpose.

    Yes. You are literally correct.
    If true, then the idea of staying on the planet would be pointless, so I don't think that is true.

    Weakening Zodiark was a methodology to forestall the Final Days, but Venat is very clear when she sunders the world that the primary purpose was to teach mankind suffering.
    Weakening Zodiark was to stop him from being used by the Ancients. If the Ancients had stopped after the first or even second sacrifice, there would not be a sundering.

    Dude, are you serious?

    If I permanently break one of your arms, and you die because you, say, later fall from a high ledge that you ordinarily would have been able to catch and pull yourself up from if you still had both working arms, then I killed you.

    I don't know what you think an "injury" is, but reducing the health, abilities, and ability of person to defend themselves from harm is basically what an injury is.
    Loss of creation magic is not necessarily an injury that I would equate to permanently having a broken arm.

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    What. What? I... what?
    Yes, do you have image or video links? Or can you point to an unending journey where I can look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    The result is accounted for in her action, but the immediate purpose was to stop the Ancients. The rest follows afterward. Like I said, an action does not have to have only a singular purpose.
    *sigh*

    Venat sunders the world to permanently remove the Ancients' ability to go back to their perfect world so that mankind will never again know the paradise they once had. Again, she is VERY clear that this is why she is sundering the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    If true, then the idea of staying on the planet would be pointless, so I don't think that is true.
    The fact the death of the Star is inevitable, with or without the Final Days, is literally the entire point of Endwalker.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Weakening Zodiark was to stop him from being used by the Ancients. If the Ancients had stopped after the first or even second sacrifice, there would not be a sundering.
    No, sundering the world was specifically to remove mankind's ability to reclaim their paradise. I repeat. Venat is very clear that this is the reason she sundered the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Loss of creation magic is not necessarily an injury that I would equate to permanently having a broken arm.
    Yes it the hell is.

    Creation magic was the foremost power of an Ancient. It was what their entire lives, abilities and survival depended upon. When you go to phantom Amaurot in ShB, the Ancient shades there are aghast that you cannot do it, wondering how the hell you even get by in life.

    Using creation magic was as fundamental to an Ancient as a human's ability to walk. When she sunders the world, Venat even calls it removing mankind's wings. And guess what, if you permanently remove a bird's ability to fly, then that is an injury.
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