Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
There's no "could have" or "or" here. We are flat out told several times that the society of the Ancients was not the paradise they thought it was. Hermes has an existential breakdown wondering why he's the only one who sees the flaws while he demonstrably shows that his comrades are way too quick to give up on living beings. We're treated to a major cutscene when Venat tries to convince her fellow Ancients that they can't ignore suffering, only for them to disregard her, and foce her to sunder the world so that mankind can know suffering and overcome it.

And, as I mentioned, we have the devs outright telling us that one of the doomed planets we saw was exactly where the Ancients were heading if they ever achieved the "perfection" they craved.

If you see all this and think "well, I don't see how they were intentionally painting them as morally-grey", then I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, I still don't really see it. Remember we've only actually interacted with a few ancients, and ones that worked as scientists. That's a very small sample size. The ancients are an entire civilization and we've only seen a very small fraction of them.



Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
This is high-school-book-report levels of theming.
What, like the endwalker story?