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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
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    But then you have to give fairness where fairness is due and isolate the whismical cases from both sides. And Sundered don't have a "Delete" spell on them so their resources for eliminating threats or "nuisances" are far more limited. Not to mention most of the exterminate cases are less about nuisance and more about threats or collection of resources. On the general, non-whimsical scope.

    And, all in all, this has deviated way far from my original premise, because the point argued is that to argue Hydaelyn being a villain leads invariably to the point of Zodiark and the Amaurotians are the good guys when most of the messes we have to deal can be traced to the Ascians, Amaurotians through and thorough. I would've agreed if it was a case of neither the good guys are that good or the bad guys that bad but this is not what people is trying to convey. It's easy to misinterprete the Amaurotians as being good because the setting they live gives a flawed premise. How can we know if they're good when we see them only when they don't face meaningful crises. And if anything comes from the Final Days is that even they aren't immune to them. And Hermes and Ultima Thule drive home the point that the Amaurotian culture itself and their values aren't as perfect as they themselves want to believe. On the other hand, the Ascians DO give good context on the lenghts Ancients go when they are hard pressed. And their actions go lenghts and lenght to show they're not the good guys either and their intentions aren't one inch altruistic. They despise the sundered and if Venat gave them suffering, the Ascians did NOTHING but add three extra cups to it. And they could've just as easily try to nurture the sundered societies to improvement. Hells, they could've become the actual Warriors of Light instead of us (and so far, the game has shown how much the world has improved for out work, despite us being a fraction of an Ascian). And they don't even give a fraction of care. Hell, even their end goal doesn't involve any inhabitant of the Source as they're meant to be the remaining sacrifices so they can return to Vanilla Etheirys and act like nothing happened until the next Hermes individuals comes and brings another apocalypsis because trying to move on is apparently too much for the O so great ancients when the lowly sundered got the lesson after several civilization ending catastrophes.

    Also, Midgarsomr and Tiamat himselfs hint the possibility they had a hand in Dragonsong War starting in Azys Lla as they point them to be the root of the miseries. Not to mention, we see several instance of Ascian causing disgraces left and right, specially in ARR. Also, Garlean and Allag catastrophes were full within the Ascian plans and the Ascian themselves helped them to it (Dalamud is a pretty good reminder for both cases). Also, Emet-Selch is very explicit in saying "the remaining habitants of the Source". That really isn't open to any interpretation and it being "non-Amaurotian" REALLY doesn't soften the blow of, you know, commiting more genocide for their egotistical objectives.
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    Last edited by BokoToloko; 02-16-2022 at 08:03 AM.