What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lauront]

They didn't view dynamis in any way, because they weren't generally aware of it - and up until extremely recently, neither were the sundered. Hermes managed to glean some things about it, all of which was lost because of the memory wipe sequence, which Venat was spared from.

I really dont get where this "Ancients couldnt manipulate dynamis" loophole is coming from.We see them use lb's in the dungeon. We know they have a facility capable of training them in that field. Also yes, logic is good. When you build a story around specific pieces of lore, but then throw all that lore out of the window just because...rule of cool, its kind of a problem for a lot of people. I dont think its really a maybe if they'd believe her. As we saw, Emet has his duty. Whether he believes someone or not, he needs to investigate due to his duty of the star. However, he knows he was mind wiped. All Venat has to do is tell him what happened along with the events leading up to the mind wipe. People act like she was some random citizen. She was Azem, an ex convocation member. Also, they dealt with suffering. We see this throughout the side quests on Elpis and even in Pandaemonium. So not sure where that comes from either.Also i'd say they overcame it considering they survived and summoned Zodiark...

Agreed, and it is sheer nonsense that they never faced despair. Even Venat does not phrase it thus - she states they were merely spared from it for some time. Her issue was that they wouldn't be able to overcome the specific despair of their entire star dying and race dying out - despair which most sundered would easily succumb to, at the expense of their soul this time, because there is no creation magic buffer for the despair to act on. They put all their faith in the main character and a few heroes to guide them out and end up facing nothing like the devastation of the ancient world. Venat does not explain why the strive to reclaim their former life is an issue, which is based on the reports from Meteion she essentially skim-listened to at best, and instead offers platitudes about despair, at a rather bad time if the cutscene is anything to go by, stylised though it may be. The sundered are as much beings of "pure aether" as the ancients; it is more that the latter are denser, but as you mention, they had workarounds.

It's also perplexing to me why according to some, Etheirys, being much denser in aether (and one can assume therefore at producing more of it over time) than the sundered shards in its unsundered form and endowed with a primal of darkness (=propensity to render aether more active), would not be able to generate the aether to fuel the journey to Ultima Thule, but oh well, and this is putting the side the possibility of utilising dynamis through a better constructed version of what Hermes had tried to do.

[Jandor]

I really dont get where this "Ancients couldnt manipulate dynamis" loophole is coming from. We see them use lb's in the dungeon.

The justification for limit breaks being dynamis requires a rather generous interpretation of less than a line and a half of dialogue, dialogue that flies in the face of existing lore. Given your previous responses in this thread, you accepting that limit breaks are dynamis seems like quite the double standard.

Except besides those lines of dialogue, everything else points otherwise. Why wouldn’t they be able to hone their dynamis skills? We know they were able to manipulate it as they use limit breaks in the dungeon.

Limit breaks are not dynamis. Besides those lines of dialogue, everything else points otherwise.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The justification for limit breaks being dynamis requires a rather generous interpretation of less than a line and a half of dialogue, dialogue that flies in the face of existing lore. Given your previous responses in this thread, you accepting that limit breaks are dynamis seems like quite the double standard.



Limit breaks are not dynamis. Besides those lines of dialogue, everything else points otherwise.

Considering how Dynamis itself is described and how limit breaks are used, one can ascertain the two to be somewhat connected. It’s much less of a reach than it is to base an entire storyline off of one line of dialogue that has been done before. Double standards though, have been in this thread a lot, especially in regards to some peoples views on the ancients. But those don’t seem to get much of a reply i’ve noticed from some certain posters :P Irregardless though, theres much more proof pointing to this than there would be for the other matter at hand.Also, it doesnt change the fact they could still use the facility to hone their usage of dynamis, so its a moot point in the grand scheme of things. Lets not take things out of context hm?Besides i recall many many posters classifying lb's under dynamis, but now it somehow doesnt? Seems to me people are changing their opinions to fit their own narrative.

[Jandor]

Seems to me people are changing their opinions to fit their own narrative.

Well, if nothing else, you're at least right about that.