What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lauront]

I agree with everything except the bit about the ancients. Any justification for a race getting wiped out that tries to frame it as the “correct” option, even if it involves writing them down to being completely evil strawmen, will always be diabolical to me. Pro-genocide narratives are bad no matter what, and that’s why this thread has so many pages.

We all thought the sundering was an accident, or that Hydaelyn was simply not good. There’s really no good way to portray her as good if the sundering was purposeful. A “better” setup of the ancients as a race that “needed” to die wouldn’t fix that, and would’ve made the writers even more reprehensible in my eyes.

Agreed. I was ironically relieved by how poor a job they did of trying to justify the Sundering and extermination of all those other civilisations as an attempt to prop up the sundered... or at least what appeared to be the message they were going with before the Omega quests clarified matters a bit. This particular approach would be a red line for me if fully embraced, especially after SHB.

[CrownySuccubus]

Ah yes nothing more engaging and directly involved than spamming the same one button as a healer.

I mean, the games I mentioned have you either pressing 1 button or 0 buttons.

Also:

I'm nowhere near a fan of FFXIV's gameplay or progression loops.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean, the games I mentioned have you either pressing 1 button or 0 buttons.

Also:

You act like it’s pressing 1 button the entire game. In 13, Good luck doing it against most boss battles or especially in the late game lol.

[CrownySuccubus]

You act like it’s pressing 1 button the entire game. In 13, Good luck doing it against most boss battles or especially in the late game lol.

Cool. You occasionally press a different button about as often as you need to re-proc your DoT or to press directions to walk your character out of an AOE.

Oh wait...you CAN'T do that second thing during battle in 13.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Cool. You occasionally press a different button about as often as you need to re-proc your DoT or to press directions to walk your character out of an AOE.

Oh wait...you CAN'T do that second thing during battle in 13.

It’s not occasionally. Have you not done late game 13 content at all? Lol. Or even mid game. Later on you need to manually apply dots, buffs, specific healing actions, cancelling certain actions to speed up your skill usage etc.

[CrownySuccubus]

It’s not occasionally. Have you not done late game 13 content at all? Lol

"If you want engaging content, go play Ultimate."

If it takes "end game content" to make the point invalid, then I think we're done here.

[Theodric]

Or the approach of agreeing to disagree could be taken instead of every last little thing being turned into an inane argument.

[KizuyaKatogami]

"If you want engaging content, go play Ultimate."

If it takes "end game content" to make the point invalid, then I think we're done here.

I didnt just say endgame. I said mid game as well. I think maybe you need to replay it and get a refresher because youre spouting nonsense atm.

[Theodric]

Speaking of FFXIII, I hope we get a character similar in appearance to Snow Villiers. We need more big, beefy men that are conventionally attractive and don't look like they're deficient in testosterone.

[CrownySuccubus]

Or the approach of agreeing to disagree could be taken instead of every last little thing being turned into an inane argument.

I'm game if Kizuya is. Until then, though:

I didnt just say endgame. I said mid game as well. I think maybe you need to replay it and get a refresher because youre spouting nonsense atm.

Oh sorry. "If you want engaging content, go play Savage/Unreal for some people, I guess."

I mean, it's still the exact same argument. I don't know how you're defining "mid-game", but FFXIII is not that difficult of a game.