What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

Aveyond's nowhere near as inflammatory a poster as those suggesting someone is a 'bad person' for liking the 'wrong' characters or factions in a video game. How interesting that the same posters very eager to jump down Aveyond's throat are always silent whenever actual personal attacks take place.

The tone policing wears rather thin as well, on that note.

[Lunaxia]

Aveyond's nowhere near as inflammatory a poster as those suggesting someone is a 'bad person' for liking the 'wrong' characters or factions in a video game. How interesting that the same posters very eager to jump down Aveyond's throat are always silent whenever actual personal attacks take place.

The tone policing wears rather thin as well, on that note.

If you sound hostile, you will invite hostility. The way you express yourself matters, and goes a long way in dictating the response you will get. Reminding someone of that is not "tone policing."

aaaaand we’re back to if you’re in the minority just put up and shut up or leave. Glad to see this all come full circle

That's not what I said at all.

[KizuyaKatogami]

If you sound hostile, you will invite hostility. The way you express yourself matters, and goes a long way in dictating the response you will get. Reminding someone of that is not "tone policing."



That's not what I said at all.

There is 0 reason to bring up whether someones opinion is a minority or not. Especially in a thread where most people typically agree with the persons views youre arguing against.

[Lunaxia]

I endured...

No one is asking you to make a martyr out of yourself and "endure" anything. If participating in discussions is detrimental to your mental wellbeing, then step away from the forums for a while. This is not the crusade you make it out to be, and disagreeing with you is not the personal attack you think it is.

There is 0 reason to bring up whether someones opinion is a minority or not. Especially in a thread where most people typically agree with the persons views youre arguing against.

There absolutely is a reason when I'm defining why you will be getting a response you perceive as a "backlash."

[aveyond-dreams]

No one is asking you to make a martyr out of yourself and "endure" anything. If participating in discussions is detrimental to your mental wellbeing, then step away from the forums for a while. This is not the crusade you make it out to be, and disagreeing with you is not the personal attack you think it is.



There absolutely is a reason when I'm defining why you will be getting a response you perceive as a "backlash."

Sorry for trying to stop the game I liked from turning into what it's turning into. It's more than just "disagreeing" when it's clear that there is a group of people who do not want players like me around and are cheering this whole thing on. This isn't even as bad as some of these recent job changes because at least when it comes to that I can just change jobs. But when more and more of the story is going down this same path? What else am I supposed to turn to?

[Lauront]

I'd like the source, too. All we know is the seat of Azem had a nomadic aspect to it to help steer the Convocation in identifying problems to resolve, which the seat occupant sometimes resolved themselves in the WOL's original shard's case; while that entails an aspect of good problem solving and communication skills (you know, the sort that'd let you figure out how to relay the truth of the Final Days to your people without Hermes becoming an issue, rather than lecturing some traumatised ancients as their world is on fire, etc.), it does not suggest someone who is an expert in everything, so much as a jack of all trades. Emet too is stated to be very well travelled, so even if I were to grant that they mainly convened in Amaurot post-ascension, I'm unclear how that'd erase any experiences prior to this or how it doesn't cease to be relevant beyond a certain point. They're all ultimately drawn into their roles for being exceptional individuals, so I am willing to assume Venat, being long-lived (though whether longer than Lahabrea is an open question given that retirement appears to be at their discretion, and he is a workaholic), had expertise in quite a few fields, but not just on account of the seat in question and certainly not to the extent that Emet characterisation goes.

The Tales story just gives more narration from Hades's POV - he is the one addressing Elidibus. His own POV is only ever expressed in SoS and later, in Elpis.

[YukikoKurosawa]

I understand people (including myself) have issues with the game's narrative direction right now but let's not turn to games like Ashes of Creation as a serious alternative. A pvp mmo (that never works in the current age, see New World. Anyone serious about PvP is playing proper pvp games nowadays, not MMOs) that's made top to bottom to cater to streamers and their mindless followers (only a limited number of people can get flying in the game so streamers will 100% get them thanks to having the advantage of an army of simps who will farm and funnel all necessary resources to them before anyone else can), generic realistic artstyle, generic medieval fantasy, horrible animations, hideous character models, $500 beta access, already loaded with cash shop items despite not even being out. The absolutely embarressing updated combat video they just recently revealed really sealed any doubt the game is a dumpster fire waiting to happen on the off chance it ever comes out. And as far as I've seen the game doesn't even have a story or lore.

Or a game outright memed on for it's horrendous conclusion to a series like Mass Effect 3.

Like I get it, this game's story has problems right now. But if you're at the point where you're praising Mass Effect 3 you've veered straight into contrarianism.

Based on this thread, I think some of you would enjoy Witcher 3 or Pathologic 2, if none of you have played either (most people have played Witcher 3 by now). I have my issues with the former (mostly Blood and Wine's story but if I explain why I'll need at least 3 more entire posts), but otherwise thoroughly enjoyed it. And Pathologic 2 is one of the greatest written RPGs (and horror games) I've ever played. Both of which are, funnily enough, on sale on steam right now. Play some actual good RPGs.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I understand people (including myself) have issues with the game's narrative direction right now but let's not turn to games like Ashes of Creation as a serious alternative. A pvp mmo (that never works in the current age, see New World. Anyone serious about PvP is playing proper pvp games nowadays, not MMOs) that's made top to bottom to cater to streamers and their mindless followers (only a limited number of people can get flying in the game so streamers will 100% get them thanks to having the advantage of an army of simps who will farm and funnel all necessary resources to them before anyone else can), generic realistic artstyle, generic medieval fantasy, horrible animations, hideous character models, $500 beta access, already loaded with cash shop items despite not even being out. The absolutely embarressing updated combat video they just recently revealed really sealed any doubt the game is a dumpster fire waiting to happen on the off chance it ever comes out. And as far as I've seen the game doesn't even have a story or lore.

Or a game outright memed on for it's horrendous conclusion to a series like Mass Effect 3.

Like I get it, this game's story has problems right now. But if you're at the point where you're praising Mass Effect 3 you've veered straight into contrarianism.

Based on this thread, I think some of you would enjoy Witcher 3 or Pathologic 2, if none of you have played either (most people have played Witcher 3 by now). I have my issues with the former (mostly Blood and Wine's story but if I explain why I'll need at least 3 more entire posts), but otherwise thoroughly enjoyed it. And Pathologic 2 is one of the greatest written RPGs (and horror games) I've ever played. Both of which are, funnily enough, on sale on steam right now. Play some actual good RPGs.

Uh, lets give people their choices shall we? 14's story is but one of many problems. The game's gameplay has been incredibly lacking and the healer role has been ignored for 6+ years. Personally i am excitingly waiting for Ashes as it seems to be offering everything ive ever wanted in an mmo. As for story or lore im going to assume you havent looked much into the game because its very rich in lore so far from what we can see. Its similar to the Souls franchise however where they dont seem to give you explicit answers on things, its up to you to search and put the puzzle pieces together yourself and come to lore conclusions.

[ReynTime]

I understand people (including myself) have issues with the game's narrative direction right now but let's not turn to games like Ashes of Creation as a serious alternative. A pvp mmo (that never works in the current age, see New World. Anyone serious about PvP is playing proper pvp games nowadays, not MMOs) that's made top to bottom to cater to streamers and their mindless followers (only a limited number of people can get flying in the game so streamers will 100% get them thanks to having the advantage of an army of simps who will farm and funnel all necessary resources to them before anyone else can), generic realistic artstyle, generic medieval fantasy, horrible animations, hideous character models, $500 beta access, already loaded with cash shop items despite not even being out. The absolutely embarressing updated combat video they just recently revealed really sealed any doubt the game is a dumpster fire waiting to happen on the off chance it ever comes out. And as far as I've seen the game doesn't even have a story or lore.

Or a game outright memed on for it's horrendous conclusion to a series like Mass Effect 3.

Like I get it, this game's story has problems right now. But if you're at the point where you're praising Mass Effect 3 you've veered straight into contrarianism.

Based on this thread, I think some of you would enjoy Witcher 3 or Pathologic 2, if none of you have played either (most people have played Witcher 3 by now). I have my issues with the former (mostly Blood and Wine's story but if I explain why I'll need at least 3 more entire posts), but otherwise thoroughly enjoyed it. And Pathologic 2 is one of the greatest written RPGs (and horror games) I've ever played. Both of which are, funnily enough, on sale on steam right now. Play some actual good RPGs.

ME3's ending while disappointing gets 'memed' for the same reason Lost's ending gets memed. Some people hate storytelling that doesn't chew the dish for them and that requires them to piece things together. They just want to sit down, watch stuff that doesn't require thinking and clap when their favorite character does funny things.

[Theodric]

I enjoy PvP and it has Roman inspired Elves. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I'll certainly be tempering my expectations but it's shaping up to my liking and offering a lot of things that I wish FFXIV had embraced more firmly.

As for Hydaelyn, she never came across as trustworthy or sympathetic to me. Even before it was revealed that the Sundering was intentional.