What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Eh?

Being quite frank, FFXIV's post-2.0 gameplay (especially combat gameplay) is way more directly involved than most mainline games in the series. If we're arguing that this game caters to people "who don't like learning to play videogames" more than FFXII's Gambit System, the FFXIII series' Auto-Battle system, or FFXV's "Just get close and hold one button" system, I'm gonna have to disagree.

I'm nowhere near a fan of FFXIV's gameplay or progression loops, but I'm seriously curious how one can even come to this conclusion.

Ah yes nothing more engaging and directly involved than spamming the same one button as a healer.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean, the games I mentioned have you either pressing 1 button or 0 buttons.

Also:

You act like it’s pressing 1 button the entire game. In 13, Good luck doing it against most boss battles or especially in the late game lol.

[CrownySuccubus]

You act like it’s pressing 1 button the entire game. In 13, Good luck doing it against most boss battles or especially in the late game lol.

Cool. You occasionally press a different button about as often as you need to re-proc your DoT or to press directions to walk your character out of an AOE.

Oh wait...you CAN'T do that second thing during battle in 13.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Cool. You occasionally press a different button about as often as you need to re-proc your DoT or to press directions to walk your character out of an AOE.

Oh wait...you CAN'T do that second thing during battle in 13.

It’s not occasionally. Have you not done late game 13 content at all? Lol. Or even mid game. Later on you need to manually apply dots, buffs, specific healing actions, cancelling certain actions to speed up your skill usage etc.

[CrownySuccubus]

It’s not occasionally. Have you not done late game 13 content at all? Lol

"If you want engaging content, go play Ultimate."

If it takes "end game content" to make the point invalid, then I think we're done here.

[KizuyaKatogami]

"If you want engaging content, go play Ultimate."

If it takes "end game content" to make the point invalid, then I think we're done here.

I didnt just say endgame. I said mid game as well. I think maybe you need to replay it and get a refresher because youre spouting nonsense atm.

[Theodric]

Or the approach of agreeing to disagree could be taken instead of every last little thing being turned into an inane argument.

[CrownySuccubus]

Or the approach of agreeing to disagree could be taken instead of every last little thing being turned into an inane argument.

I'm game if Kizuya is. Until then, though:

I didnt just say endgame. I said mid game as well. I think maybe you need to replay it and get a refresher because youre spouting nonsense atm.

Oh sorry. "If you want engaging content, go play Savage/Unreal for some people, I guess."

I mean, it's still the exact same argument. I don't know how you're defining "mid-game", but FFXIII is not that difficult of a game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Or the approach of agreeing to disagree could be taken instead of every last little thing being turned into an inane argument.

Not allowed.
We Must Do Battle!

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Not allowed.
We Must Do Battle!

Ok, but i'm not one for words and the only weapon i got is this:



So, uh... *boop*

Everybody loses. Now scram!