What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lucida3b]

I fucking hope so, but arguing with other ff players makes me worry there just gonna listen to those who will instead either headcanon reasons for plotholes or just lie or mob you for having trouble liking the story concepts. I worry they will just go the wow/marvel/dc route of 'ignore past bad writing' and letting it fester over time

[KageTokage]

At this point, I don't think they can reasonably "fix" the awkward writing decisions they made in Endwalker with any manner of supplementary lore or sidestories.

I'm just praying we get more stories with proper nuance to their morality/ideology like HW and ShB going forward.

[Theodric]

At this point, I don't think they can reasonably "fix" the awkward writing decisions they made in Endwalker with any manner of supplementary lore or sidestories.

I'm just praying we get more stories with proper nuance to their morality/ideology like HW and ShB going forward.

To be fair, they did manage to flesh out Nidhogg retroactively with one of the Dragoon job quests that came after Heavensward. I'd say it's more so a matter of whether the development team even care to go back to any of the plot threads that were hastily closed off during Endwalker since they - or at least Yoshi-P - seem strangely eager to wash their hands of certain things.

I suppose it doesn't help that the Ancients were meant to be 'scary' but weren't considered or portrayed as such within the game itself in the eyes of many players. I still think a lot of the problems are due to a sharp, sudden change in direction. I keep glancing at some of the ShB era interviews and Yoshi-P seems to 'get it' when it comes to the nuance and tragedy inflicted upon the Ancients only for EW to bizarrely try to blame them for not rolling over and letting themselves be wiped out at Venat's behest.

[Lustre]

I love the fact this thread is still going.

[KageTokage]

I love the fact this thread is still going.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but I personally appreciate the fact that more and more people are chiming in about feeling dissatisfied with how things played out since it makes me feel like less of an anomaly.

on the discussion of "the sound" , the way the final days (in the present) where presented it looked more like meteions song of oblivion or whatever its called in english enabled the transformations but still needed a trigger to activate. if i'm not completly wrong right now than Pandemonium is in fact far below the ground and potentially? going deeper the further we go. considering every raid storyline so far while not absolutely necessary to complete did in fact have some tie ins to the mainstory it certainly is possible that "the sound from below" would in fact come out of Pandemonium and act as a catalyst for meteions song.

It's possible, though I feel whatever threat is in Pandemonium is going to be resolved by the time the raid is over and wouldn't be active during the original Final Days thanks to the closed time loop shenanigans.

The thing that bugs me the most is Azem's involvement in this mess suggesting they somehow knew all of this was going to happen already...

[Lustre]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but I personally appreciate the fact that more and more people are chiming in about feeling dissatisfied with how things played out since it makes me feel like less of an anomaly.



It's possible, though I feel whatever threat is in Pandemonium is going to be resolved by the time the raid is over and wouldn't be active during the original Final Days thanks to the closed time loop shenanigans.

The thing that bugs me the most is Azem's involvement in this mess suggesting they somehow knew all of this was going to happen already...

Oh, no sarcasm. I just remember feeling gaslit at 6.0 release cause I didn't think EW was that good and everybody else seemed to love it. Yet this thread sure did get a lot of replies.... lol

[Lauront]

Oh, no sarcasm. I just remember feeling gaslit at 6.0 release cause I didn't think EW was that good and everybody else seemed to love it. Yet this thread sure did get a lot of replies.... lol

I think the honeymoon phase is beginning to wear off now, even on sites which aren't usually particularly critical (or to be more accurate, are usually gushing with praise.)

[YukikoKurosawa]

I think the honeymoon phase is beginning to wear off now, even on sites which aren't usually particularly critical (or to be more accurate, are usually gushing with praise.)

I think EW is one of those stories that the longer you think about it the more it falls apart.

Like the exact opposite of Fridge Brilliance, whatever that's called.

[Lauront]

I love the fact this thread is still going.

Well what are your thoughts on the story?

[GrizzlyTank]

Only complaints for this expansion was Zenos (whom could have been cut from the story and nothing changed) and Hermes being put in the finale painting.

Yes, depression sucks but god damn Hermes. Your egoism killed planets.