What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Vahlnir]

Also I'd say Pandemonium is a bit to early to call as well still don't know how that links to the current day were in. I'd like to wait n see that unfold. I'm just happy Elidibus is a center piece

Yeah, we don't know enough about the raid quite yet. I'm hoping it gets better because while the bosses themselves are neat looking and mostly fun to fight, the story just isn't there yet. They could end up surprising us with how it all comes together later, but they also might not. But yeah, we'll have to see. It's not a bad start, but I'm not sold on it just yet. The final boss theme tells a bit of the story itself I think. Based on the lyrics to Hic Svnt Leones it has the potential to be very interesting. It was the same deal with Alexander's boss theme Locus back in the day. Basically told the entire story of the raid, though not in great enough detail to give it all away.

[Lauront]

I'd have liked to see them push something so bad it required collaboration between the remaining Ascians (and yes, including Emet's ghost because we know they wanted to draw on that) and the protagonists as well as both primals. That to me would be a very compelling narrative arc, especially with all we learnt in SHB, and particularly if they threaded together the fate of the ancient world, the Dragonstar, the Omicrons' world etc. without the very bizarre approach they resorted to in EW, with entire stars written off with a few lines in a report. I'd probably dispense with Meteion altogether because I'd much rather see some manner of otherworldly life form like the High Seraph be the cause behind this all.

[Vahlnir]

I'd have liked to see them push something so bad it required collaboration between the remaining Ascians (and yes, including Emet's ghost because we know they wanted to draw on that) and the protagonists as well as both primals. That to me would be a very compelling narrative arc, especially with all we learnt in SHB, and particularly if they threaded together the fate of the ancient world, the Dragonstar, the Omicrons' world etc. without the very bizarre approach they resorted to in EW, with entire stars written off with a few lines in a report. I'd probably dispense with Meteion altogether because I'd much rather see some manner of otherworldly life form like the High Seraph be the cause behind this all.

I think they plan to expand on some of that with the Omega: Beyond the Rift quests that are coming at some point, but yeah, the damage (or a complete lack of any substantial context in some cases) is already done.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Well to some of us it does make sense. I doubt many of us are just "acting". I wouldn't tell anyone they weren't paying attention. Some of us by nature just absorb it differently.

Also I'd say Pandemonium is a bit to early to call as well still don't know how that links to the current day were in. I'd like to wait n see that unfold. I'm just happy Elidibus is a center piece

But there’s a lot of objective writing failures that are either plot contradictions,plot holes, or just overall forgetful writing. Those don’t make sense, people can headcanon in ways so that it does make sense like for example you mentioned earlier with the ancients and the plenty, but in the expansion that was supposed to be tying up all these loose ends, we’re left with far more questions than answers. It’s pretty bad when they had to answer a lot of very important questions that have been around since ARR in an out of game QnA….and did so pretty half assedly.

[IkaraGreydancer]

But there’s a lot of objective writing failures that are either plot contradictions,plot holes, or just overall forgetful writing. Those don’t make sense, people can headcanon in ways so that it does make sense like for example you mentioned earlier with the ancients and the plenty, but in the expansion that was supposed to be tying up all these loose ends, we’re left with far more questions than answers. It’s pretty bad when they had to answer a lot of very important questions that have been around since ARR in an out of game QnA….and did so pretty half assedly.

There was no way it was gonna tie up every loose end with a story this vast. Anyone thinking it would were being very wishful. I'll be the first to say the story itself doesn't give you every little bit n piece. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.

End of the day some folks love EWs story. Some folks don't. Headcanon or not some make more sense out of the story than others. I personally wouldn't crap on folks who find EWs story and by large XIVs story to be perfect. Same as I'm not gonna crap on folks who opt to look for every little off detail. All I can say for those folks is I hope the story gets better for you

[Ayuhra]

There was no way it was gonna tie up every loose end with a story this vast. Anyone thinking it would were being very wishful. I'll be the first to say the story itself doesn't give you every little bit n piece. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.

End of the day some folks love EWs story. Some folks don't. Headcanon or not some make more sense out of the story than others. I personally wouldn't crap on folks who find EWs story and by large XIVs story to be perfect. Same as I'm not gonna crap on folks who opt to look for every little off detail. All I can say for those folks is I hope the story gets better for you

I liked Endwalker but I kinda wish it had gone in the direction of this being the Garlemald expansion and next expansion being the Final Days and dealing with them. Everything happened so fast that the emotional beats never had the chance to land with me.

Now two expansions of the story, where one ended in Anima with the post MSQ ending on the moon and the next started up with the world in flames would mean a whole lot of Fandaniel and Zenos which probably would upset people.... Fandaniel is my favorite character in the game but I know most people dislike him and his archetype.

[Theodric]

I do hope a solid bone is thrown in the direction of Garlean fans. We're supposedly getting some more Garlean themed glamour but if the Garleans are being shuffled off towards the moon then it'd be cool if we helped build a futuristic city there...

I'd also really like to see more of Jullus.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I liked Endwalker but I kinda wish it had gone in the direction of this being the Garlemald expansion and next expansion being the Final Days and dealing with them. Everything happened so fast that the emotional beats never had the chance to land with me.

Now two expansions of the story, where one ended in Anima with the post MSQ ending on the moon and the next started up with the world in flames would mean a whole lot of Fandaniel and Zenos which probably would upset people.... Fandaniel is my favorite character in the game but I know most people dislike him and his archetype.

I could see that working. Though idk if I'd be a fan of dragging the story out. People already say EW dragged to long. To me Garl was just right BUT I wouldn't be against it being a tad longer. I'd say if things were different we wouldn't get what we got from one of my now favorite characters in Quintus.
It's kinda double edge. I like what we got quite a bit and it could've been better with split expac but it also could've been way worse.

Idk how to quote more than one post but yeah Theodric I'd be all for helping them build a city there. Doman Enclave esk but more involved like Ishgard. Also yes more Jullus plz

[AziraSyuren]

A Garlemald expansion would've dragged on even worse than early Shadowbringers or all of Stormblood did. They simply (messily, mind) resolved too many plot threads pertaining to it in ShB. There was very little left and it's only in retrospect of EW that people can tell themselves otherwise.

If there was a time to do a Garlemald expansion, it was 5.0. Not 6.0.

[KizuyaKatogami]

A Garlemald expansion would've dragged on even worse than early Shadowbringers or all of Stormblood did. They simply (messily, mind) resolved too many plot threads pertaining to it in ShB. There was very little left and it's only in retrospect of EW that people can tell themselves otherwise.

If there was a time to do a Garlemald expansion, it was 5.0. Not 6.0.

They had a lot they could’ve drew upon though. Nerva, 2nd legion, Anima, etc. They literally just killed the entire second legion off screen and also killed Nerva off screen. Two things built up throughout the entirety of ShB gone in a flash. Sorry but that’s horrible writing and i fail to see how an extra expansion giving actual depth and closure to these things would’ve been worse than what we got with Endwalker. A horribly paced expansion that despite supposedly tying up past plot points instead left us with more questions than answers to the point it was so bad the devs had to answer huge lore points in an out of game QnA. I’m pretty sure EW was rock bottom and anything else would be better.