What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Xirean]

I guess anyone who supports gridania them supports racists, anyone who supports limsa supports piracy and murder, anyone who supports uldah promotes slavery and racism etc etc. Everyone in 14 sucks. We know this.

Wait, who is racist in Gridania? Legit asking; I thought they were the least bad of the big 3.

Twin Adder and Wildwoods and kinda everyone else, especially against Keepers of the Moon and the Duskwights.

I'll have to NewGame+ it. Could you point me to some quests?

[Ayuhra]

Wait, who is racist in Gridania? Legit asking, I thought they were the least bad of the big 3.

Twin Adder and Wildwoods and kinda everyone else, especially against Keepers of the Moon and the Duskwights.

[Ayuhra]

I'll have to NewGame+ it. Could you point me to some quests?

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

[Jaquan]

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

Dunno about the latter... Said Duskwight did break the rules of the guild, the issue being he wasn't the only one and his friends used his as a scapegoat. With Moon Keepers the deal is much more complicated since most Moon Cats are in fact Poachers which is a big taboo in Gridania. In fact if not for Calamity that somewhat weakened the Elementals of the Shroud the city would likely be leveled by now by it's angry rulers due to said poaching.

[Ayuhra]

Dunno about the latter... Said Duskwight did break the rules of the guild, the issue being he wasn't the only one and his friends used his as a scapegoat. With Moon Keepers the deal is much more complicated since most Moon Cats are in fact Poachers which is a big taboo in Gridania. In fact if not for Calamity that somewhat weakened the Elementals of the Shroud the city would likely be leveled by now by it's angry rulers due to said poaching.

I know poaching angers the Elementals but there are characters that dislike not just poaching but Moon Keepers in general. The gal in the Archer's guild wasn't a poacher, she was doing her best, but was still treated badly. Foulques broke the rules, but so did others and they used him as a scapegoat BECAUSE he was a Duskwight which is pretty blatantly racist.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Archer and Lancer have good examples and are mostly about said racism.

Never forget the lancer quests where the guild leader straight up doesn’t care one of his duskwight students got brutally killed.

[Ayuhra]

Never forget the lancer quests where the guild leader straight up doesn’t care one of his duskwight students got brutally killed.

Try doing the Lancer quests AS a Duskwight. It gets awkward.

[Skyborne]

I miss Foulques and am here for his Calvinball-Dynamis ghost to pop up and call the WoL a craven. What do you mean you didn't blind yourself while fighting Meteion? Ugh, cravie!

[Theodric]

On my end, I don't particularly care if a character or faction does 'bad' things. I just loathe it when there's no consistency. If something is portrayed as being unforgivable when the antagonists do it, then it shouldn't be excused when the protagonists do the very same thing. Mysteriously there's always an excuse as to why exceptions have to be made which just leads me to not give a damn about all the preachy sophistry.

The fact that not a single character directly calls out Venat is proof enough that it's not worth paying attention to whatever the game tries to pass off as 'morality' because the moment a 'fan favourite' does a terrible thing it'll be excused.

Though I don't look to video games to reinforce my moral compass in the first place. I just want a cool story that makes sense and doesn't require me to be expected to go 'oOh MoMmY' and turn off my brain.

[CrownySuccubus]

Again, no disagreement on hypocrisy. Like Kizuya said, all the factions are bad people. But the choice is going to be either "make as many of these factions as we can less bad" (FFXIV logic) or "support the bad people you like" (Skyrim/DA logic).

Or both (Endwalker logic).