What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Brinne]

We've strayed too far from the regular scheduled dead horse beating.

Criticize Venat more, you say? Don't mind if I do!

Man, with the added context, her willingness to leave 75% of the population imprisoned and miserable inside of Zodiark forever is pretty messed up, huh? Or perhaps because of the timeloop, she figured "eh, they'll be out in 12K years when Fandaniel blows up Zodiark, it's fine."

[Kaurhz]

Criticize Venat more, you say? Don't mind if I do!

Man, with the added context, her willingness to leave 75% of the population imprisoned and miserable inside of Zodiark forever is pretty messed up, huh? Or perhaps because of the timeloop, she figured "eh, they'll be out in 12K years when Fandaniel blows up Zodiark, it's fine."

Doesn't beat the psychopathic tendencies of Hermes and his borderline nihilistic dolly subjecting the entire universe to their doom and gloom antics.

[Nekokaori]

Doesn't beat the psychopathic tendencies of Hermes and his borderline nihilistic dolly subjecting the entire universe to their doom and gloom antics.

you know the nihilistic mete is the only part i respected of her because she was right

[Caurcas]

Elpis ranch under siege by the Venat marines.
Reports indicate they are being sundered in their sleep.

[Nekokaori]

Vanet is kind of girl who says lets be friends and work togeather, then stabs you in the back and say this person is a monster all while she manipuletes and bullys others

[Brinne]

Vanet is kind of girl who says lets be friends and work togeather, then stabs you in the back and say this person is a monster all while she manipuletes and bullys others

Hey, I think that trait can be fun and very interesting in a character. Venat is a masterclass, like many people are in reality, in carefully phrasing things in pleasantly vague ways so you will read general warmth and benevolent intent behind her words, and thus happily return to your own timeline without diving further into "wait, when you say you 'love mankind' and 'believe in mankind's potential', you mean what? And you use this as self-justification to do what?"

I mean, even her big speech on the bridge about her epiphany about the miracle of creation and seeing the world in a new way - when you look back at it, she's saying essentially nothing concrete at the time, and when you can contextualize from her future actions, it quickly becomes, uh, kind of disturbing.

In a lot of ways, I love Venat! The story did her character an utter disservice. Give me my incredibly ruthless, intelligent, unapologetic ideologue without these insecure apologisms, SE, you cheats.

Doesn't beat the psychopathic tendencies of Hermes and his borderline nihilistic dolly subjecting the entire universe to their doom and gloom antics.

I can't say I can get myself quite on board with either "I shall project my psychological issues onto everyone around me and all reality to BTFO Emet-Selch and the other Ancients I seethingly hate" and "only the strong survive in this cruel universe! if you don't accept your loved ones being locked in a painful purgatory forever, this is a sign of weakness, and you must be culled and replaced with a species more receptive to my ideas!" Can I, um, take a third option? Please? Surely there are other options besides this?

[Kaurhz]

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Hermes and Venat would've been best buddies if you think about it.

[Lauront]

Hey, I think that trait can be fun and very interesting in a character. Venat is a masterclass, like many people are in reality, in carefully phrasing things in pleasantly vague ways so you will read general warmth and benevolent intent behind her words, and thus happily return to your own timeline without diving further into "wait, when you say you 'love mankind' and 'believe in mankind's potential', you mean what? And you use this as self-justification to do what?"

I mean, even her big speech on the bridge about her epiphany about the miracle of creation and seeing the world in a new way - when you look back at it, she's saying essentially nothing concrete at the time, and when you can contextualize from her future actions, it quickly becomes, uh, kind of disturbing.

In a lot of ways, I love Venat! The story did her character an utter disservice. Give me my incredibly ruthless, intelligent, unapologetic ideolog

Missed this somehow - her mentality is actually one I can relate to in the sense that I'm someone who enjoys 4x/strategy/sim games (and some RPGs, which allow for such plots), especially ones like Age of Wonders 2, where you can more or less shape a civilisation through a vision of what you want it to be, so in that sense she (and the Ascians through their "great work") is more of a "mirror" to my gaming style than say Zenos. Of course that's separate to my views on the morality of doing that to your own people, but from the perspective of games that put you in the position more or less of a "god", it clicks. Had they fully embraced her role as a type of Yunalesca, I'd have been more enthusiastic, as she is one of my favourite antagonists in the series.

[PawPaw]

Speaking of suffering souls in Zodiark, was I the only one that felt as though Yoshi-P had never thought for a second about the repercussions of having a world's amount of Unsundered souls entering the Aetherial Sea and being reborn? What was his answer? That maybe they might be a bit "cooler" but otherwise no different from regular people? Really? Such a lame response.

[Skyborne]

Azura is the superior 'vague and speaks only in hints but is really looking out for your best interests' mommy goddess. Vivec was wrong to force his Muatra down her throat! The chad Daedric Prince with a champion who consumes ebony and glass vs. the virgin Primal whose champion has to be constantly given macguffins. brb time for my annual playthrough