What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Caurcas]

Yes, Hydaelyn was evil. Her hubris and her questionable motivations stand on logic with the consistency of sand. Whether she sees herself as such is another matter entirely. Her role is that of a fallen angel who is responsible for a Celestial Schism which saw all of humanity condemned to a world of suffering, and the loss of the equivalent of the Garden of Eden.

There were likely other ways to resolve the Meteion situation, but instead time-travelling-memory-wipes had to be thrown into the mix. For some reason.

By that logic Emet is evil. Eldibius is evil. Hermes is evil. I agree the whole of the ancient plot is bad, and Meteion is the single dumbest character in the whole of 14.

[Skyborne]

Hythlodaeus did nothing wrong.





(unless you count him enabling terrible ideas)

[KizuyaKatogami]

If you think Hydaelyn is still evil after all this, I don't know what to tell you.

She literally caused all of this though. If Venat had told her people what was going on they perhaps could have stopped the final days then and there and there wouldn’t be all of this suffering. She is literally to blame. Also yes, she did cause the memory wipe. We’re literally told and shown this, the sundering mind wiped everyone and it seems to have been entirely intended.She then lied and kept secrets on the origins of the world.

[Chasingstars]

She literally caused all of this though. If Venat had told her people what was going on they perhaps could have stopped the final days then and there and there wouldn’t be all of this suffering. She is literally to blame. Also yes, she did cause the memory wipe. We’re literally told and shown this, the sundering mind wiped everyone and it seems to have been entirely intended.She then lied and kept secrets on the origins of the world.

Technically you would have to put that as a fault of the Warrior of Light for telling Venat. As according to us, who was told by Elidibus, we can't change the events of the past if we want to properly return to our timeline. If Venat had done what you wanted her to do, there would be none of the people who currently exist in our timeline. There is no Thancred, no Y'shtola, no Ryne, no Alisaie, no Alphinaud, no Estinien, no Haurchefant, no Ser Aymeric. Among many other people.

And what would happen is you created a branching alternate timeline where the Ascians successfully beat back Meteion, but doomed the main timeline in the process.

Pretty ascian talk if you think that is fine. What with sacrificing all those lives.

And even if people still think Hydaylen is evil because of suffering, news flash, our real world is filled with suffering and its how you actually go about your daily life to trudge through the suffering to actually have a semblance of a pleasant life. Which is what Hydaylen was doing, trudging through all that misery for hope of a better tomorrow.

[aveyond-dreams]

And even if people still think Hydaylen is evil because of suffering, news flash, our real world is filled with suffering and its how you actually go about your daily life to trudge through the suffering to actually have a semblance of a pleasant life. Which is what Hydaylen was doing, trudging through all that misery for hope of a better tomorrow.

Yes, her introduction of en-masse suffering to an otherwise peaceful world is very much in line with evil given the context of the situation. Call it original sin, celestial schism, etc, what she did destroyed mankind's paradise, robbed them of immortality, all while positioning herself as a "supreme deity" when she was little more than a prideful human herself.

[Theodric]

Yes, her introduction of en-masse suffering to an otherwise peaceful world is very much in line with evil given the context of the situation. Call it original sin, celestial schism, etc, what she did destroyed mankind's paradise, robbed them of immortality, all while positioning herself as a "supreme deity" when she was little more than a prideful human herself.

Yep. Let's also not forget that she technically condemned multiple other worlds to destruction by not making the Ancients aware of Meteion's existence. Just imagine how many worlds were destroyed in the time between the Sundering and the present day - because by all accounts, Meteion was still sending energy out into the universe in an attempt to destroy all of existence.

(It's also hilarious to consider that Venat had an issue with the Ancients living peacefully behind the barrier that Zodiark created...but left the Sundered living in ignorance of the threat behind the barrier for thousands of years. Then when they beat Meteion it was after being carried hard by Unsundered entities.)

[anhaato]

Yay morality debates this site hasn’t had enough of those right?

[Chasingstars]

Yay morality debates this site hasn’t had enough of those right?

Its part and parcel to the story.

[Caurcas]

A society without conflict is boring and makes for a poor story anyway. Venat just did what the writers should've done and made them cease to exist.

[Theodric]

A common sentiment throughout this thread has been that although it makes sense for the Sundered to do everything possible in order to ensure their continued existence, so too does it make sense for the Unsundered to the same.

I'm not particularly interested in entertaining the delusions of a self proclaimed 'supreme deity' by pretending as if the genocide of her own people was the only path forward. We can safely deduce that it wasn't the only path forward, since she deliberately avoided informing them of the threat that Meteion posed and toyed with their lives by standing back and allowing the Final Days to occur with no forewarning.