Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[kpxmanifesto]

I can only speculate, but I rather suspect it's because a lot of concessions are made in regards to the game at the cost of Japanese tastes and trends.

The reddit post that addresses YP's stream has comments saying that most of the criticism appears to be aimed at issues with class balance. Some people in that thread also mention issues with story, music, and servers.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

The main problem isn't even venting or hurt feelings. It's that developers are less inclined to listening to feedback from a fan base that behaves as if the team was the enemy, out to kill their fun.

There will always be problems with class balance, job mechanics, fight design, quests, story, because the game is made by people. Accepting that is the first step, phrasing criticism accordingly the second.

It's also good to remember that YP recommends taking breaks. If you force yourself to play the game without noticing it, you'll end up hating it at some point, which is something I've seen a lot in other games, and FFXIV is no exception.

[Avatre]

The main problem isn't even venting or hurt feelings. It's that developers are less inclined to listening to feedback from a fan base that behaves as if the team was the enemy, out to kill their fun.

Not only this, but it has been proven - through all the gear that has been made available for both genders - that the bigger the thread, the more attention it receives. If we have 500 of the same topic, it is less likely to get attention since they would have to dig through all of them to find a consensus. Whereas if it was all consolidated into one giant thread, they would be able to go through it much easier. But, that isn't likely to happen due to the nature of people wanting to have the attention, so they create a new thread to post the exact same thing as another thread, rather than bumping the old thread and increasing it's post count to a point where the devs have it brought to them and go "oh, that's something to look into". The tone definitely helps as well, especially when it finally does get to the devs attention.

[Eriane_Elis]

I just want to point out that out of all the MMOs I have tried, FF14 is the only one that actually listens to its playerbase BEFORE a great exodus occurs. Meaning, they are transparent with their beliefs and what they are working on and they will listen to feedback within reason. Name me another company that does this with their critically acclaimed MMORPG with an award winning free trial? xD

[Tyjacon]

It's not really on the players to fix the game though. I'm not in favor of personal attacks and such but I feel like you're advocating for people to walk on eggshells and that shouldn't be necessary. We should be able to call something bad or stupid if we think it's bad or stupid. Doing so isn't a personal or direct attack on a dev IMO.

So you're saying that if the devs idea for the game isn't the same as yours, the game is broken?
And just because you think it's bad or stupid doesn't mean everyone else does.

Imagine at your job if you're trying really hard and think you're doing a great job but everyone is calling you stupid and bad at your job, how would you feel?

You may not mean it as a personal attack but stating something is bad or stupid comes across that way.

[Thatusernameistaken]

I like how there are people in this thread subtly arguing it's ok to be a toxic a-hole. I'm almost certain everyone in this thread knows negative feedback is fine. The heart of this discussion is about THE TONE in which feedback is presented. Having a negative opinion is fine. Expressing it like a toxic a-hole isn't. It's not hard to understand and the thread can end here.

[Kes13a]

No, it's just true. Most of the things that affect other regions get ignored unless they also affect JP.

being abusive in the name of "feedback" has no place in any discussion, be it Japanese, NA or the EU.

plain and simple. not sure why thats a hard concept to grasp

[Theodric]

Tone policing is often a method exploited to shut down opposing viewpoints. More often than not, it pays little heed to differences in background, personality and culture. Or the simple fact that English is not everybody's first language.

So long as a post isn't in violation of the terms of service, I don't think it's really of much benefit for a subsection of customers to try and dictate how feedback is presented.

Furthermore, in my experience just because someone is a little brash or hot headed it does not mean that they are a terrible person. Such individuals are often prone to passion and sticking up for others even if they disagree with those self same individuals.

On the other hand, I've found that many of those eager to police thought, tone and opinions are amongst the first to drive a dagger into someone's back so long as they stand to gain something from doing so.

Exceptions exist in both cases, of course...so take it with a pinch of salt.

[Batbrat]

There's way too many in here dismissing this as "well that's just Japan players". No, you need to get it under control too. None of you are above what he's saying. Do you know how many posts I've seen where someone says they hope the staff is ok and immediately after someone starts throwing a tantrum, spouting off all kinds of insults and going "they're trillionares! stop caring about them you stinky fanboy! this is all about money, go whiteknight devs somewhere else" like? You know what, you're more than welcome to be miserable. But stop putting people down because you can't physically see them and stop attacking people that dare say anything nice about them too. Everyone wants to say what they're doing wrong, but can't provide a constructive idea to save their life. They just want to complain and then act innocent. "W-w-well..it's not like they can see what I'm saying...surely if it gets translated, they p-put it nicer w-words right??" No. No, they probably don't. They likely do translate it though. NA is a huge money maker, you're out of your mind if you think they completely disregard every single thing all of you are saying. Like, wake up lmao. The denial people put themselves in just to justify lashing out is mental to me. Either don't do it, or do it and acknowledge that you don't care how it makes anyone feel because you'd rather hurt others than go see a therapist or go outside and walk it off like a normal person would. Jeez.

[Thatusernameistaken]

Tone policing is often a method exploited to shut down opposing viewpoints. More often than not, it pays little heed to differences in background, personality and culture. Or the simple fact that English is not everybody's first language.

So long as a post isn't in violation of the terms of service, I don't think it's really of much benefit for a subsection of customers to try and dictate how feedback is presented.

Furthermore, in my experience just because someone is a little brash or hot headed it does not mean that they are a terrible person. Such individuals are often prone to passion and sticking up for others even if they disagree with those self same individuals.

On the other hand, I've found that many of those eager to police thought, tone and opinions are amongst the first to drive a dagger into someone's back so long as they stand to gain something from doing so.

Exceptions exist in both cases, of course...so take it with a pinch of salt.

Like this guy. Calling a desire to want less vitriol and toxicity "tone policing". It's not a bad thing to want people to express their opinions in respectful ways, and as much as you're trying to use "tone policing" to paint it in a negative light, some forms of expressing opinions SHOULD be policed, such as those that demean and dehumanize the person at the other end.